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Should Women's Homeless Shelters Ban Trans Identified Males?

Should Women's Shelters Ban Trans Identified Males?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 19.0%

  • No

    Votes: 12 57.1%

  • Other/Undecided

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Total voters
    21
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Ok. What is a female then? What does a female look like? How does a female behave? How does a female dress? How do females emote?
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In Italy, where I'm from, you cannot change your name into a female name unless you have sex reassignment surgery first.

I did have my SRS but I didnt change my name because I am not ready to face the harshness of society ... and I want to live my change as discretely as possible.
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Ok. What is a female then? What does a female look like? How does a female behave? How does a female dress? How do females emote?
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Short answer: not as monolithic set of superficial visual or behavioral characteristics but a complicated blend society and biology, nature and nurture, gender expressions, gender roles and sex traits.
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Yes, they are two different things; sex is biological and gender is a social construct. Please don't go into the "there are blue brains and there are pink brains and sometimes people are born with a pink brain inside a blue body" argument.
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I'm not a second wave feminist (most certainly not a TERF) so I do not hold the, imo oversimplified division of social expectation of gender and psychological expectations of gender expression.
 
The Reverend Bob

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
ADigitalArtist said:
I'm not a second wave feminist (most certainly not a TERF) so I do not hold the, imo oversimplified division of social expectation of gender and psychological expectations of gender expression.
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Most second wave feminist at least the ones I have studied are gender critical and believe gender roles are imposed on women and men. We are told that boys do this thing and girls are supposed to do the other thing.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
The Reverend Bob said:
Are they of the sex that can produce ova and bear offspring? Do they have penises?
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Plenty of women don't produce ova. There's also a fair amount of wiggle room on who has penises. As usual, drawing bright and uncompromising distinctions across inherently nuanced fields results in misunderstanding and injustice.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Reverend Bob said:
Homeless shelters could deny transgender people under proposed Trump administration rule

I don't necessarily disagree with the policy because many homeless women have been completely traumatized by males. These women have been sexually exploited by males, sexually assaulted by males and subject to domestic violence mostly by males. They live in fear of their live, many suffering PTSD because of what they have suffered at the hands of males and the very presence of a male can be traumatic for them.

And the other hand trans identified males need to be sheltered too and not in men's shelters where they can be subjected to violence. The only solution I see is to create shelters specifically for them. It is a complicated issue.
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That's what I would do. Create additional unique shelters. People need to wake up to the reality of it all.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I once knew a girl who was a pseudohermaphodite. She was very feminine, had a normal vagina, etc. but discovered as a teen that she was Xy and had internal testicles which were removed soon after for being cancerous.
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Most second wave feminist at least the ones I have studied are gender critical and believe gender roles are imposed on women and men. We are told that boys do this thing and girls are supposed to do the other thing.
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Exactly why I'm not one, it makes no differentiation between gender roles and gender expression and believes the latter is only a fragmentary biproduct of the former.
There is a series of videos on YouTube by a transgendered philosophy major who talks a lot about the differences interspersed between comedic bits who I highly recommend. Her channel is contrapoints. (Warning: some discussions get into the weeds and are def nsfw.)
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
ADigitalArtist said:
Like I said, I'm not a fan of sex or gender segregation due to trauma.
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So, tell me again why your opinion should Trump the opinions of the residents and staff of a homeless shelter.

I think that they should decide what works for them.

So what if you think they're politically incorrect?
Tom
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
Because women don't typically have that mentality?
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You must not be very experienced in the way of women.

I ninjad my way into a female only FB page once. The amount of filth and debauchery matched if not exceeded any male only space.

The only difference is females hide it better by not being as vocal or public with their filth.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Enoch07 said:
You must not be very experienced in the way of women.

I ninjad my way into a female only FB page once. The amount of filth and debauchery matched if not exceeded any male only space.

The only difference is females hide it better by not being as vocal or public with their filth.
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I'm pretty sure most women don't consider being assailed upon by a crowd of homeless men in a dorm to be a desirable situation.
 
Ellen Brown

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Homeless shelters could deny transgender people under proposed Trump administration rule

I don't necessarily disagree with the policy because many homeless women have been completely traumatized by males. These women have been sexually exploited by males, sexually assaulted by males and subject to domestic violence mostly by males. They live in fear of their live, many suffering PTSD because of what they have suffered at the hands of males and the very presence of a male can be traumatic for them.

And the other hand trans identified males need to be sheltered too and not in men's shelters where they can be subjected to violence. The only solution I see is to create shelters specifically for them. It is a complicated issue.
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Logically, it depends on the state of their bits. If they are post operative, then I see no issue.
 
Koldo

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Father Heathen said:
I know I'll catch flack for this, but if they want to be seen as a woman, then try to look like one? There's a difference between subtle telltale signs and "oh, wait, that dude's trans?"
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Sadly it is not easy.
The latter you transition the harder it is to look like a regular woman. Consider how parents may not be really supportive and how that may delay the transition.
 
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