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The Cloak and What It Covers

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Everything is inside the Law. Dharma is all the universal truths. By accepting our nature, we find our proper place in the universe. Now, to make sure we stay in the proper parameters, there is karma. Karma is how we form the world.
i disagree. everything is not seen as inside the dharma. there are things that are not accepted as dharma. there are things that are adverse to dharma; so they are not inside. murder is not within dharma.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
cultivate is a verb. so we are recognized by our action and not our cover?
If you by Action means our words, actions and thoughts so yes
The books that contain spiritual teaching is a guide to how we can be mindful of our words, actions and thoughts in every situation.

Before the books the teaching was given in oral tradition. meaning the followers was remembering the teaching given by examle the buddha.

Cultivation is the trasformation from human being to a spiritual being
 

syo

Well-Known Member
i disagree. everything is not seen as inside the dharma. there are things that are not accepted as dharma. there are things that are adverse to dharma; so they are not inside. murder is not within dharma.
Murder is bad Karma. It doesn't help to flourish Dharma.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
If you by Action means our words, actions and thoughts so yes
The books that contain spiritual teaching is a guide to how we can be mindful of our words, actions and thoughts in every situation.

Before the books the teaching was given in oral tradition. meaning the followers was remembering the teaching given by examle the buddha.

Cultivation is the trasformation from human being to a spiritual being
As St. Paul said from natural to spiritual, I.e. resurrection of the dead.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
As St. Paul said from natural to spiritual, I.e. resurrection of the dead.
I dont know to much about St. Paul but when he used the word resurrection i think that is simmilar to enlightenment and the end of samsara (rebirth cycle) in Buddhism :)
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I dont know to much about St. Paul but when he used the word resurrection i think that is simmilar to enlightenment and the end of samsara (rebirth cycle) in Buddhism :)
It is enlightenment process, or getting mature, perfect.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If you by Action means our words, actions and thoughts so yes
The books that contain spiritual teaching is a guide to how we can be mindful of our words, actions and thoughts in every situation.

Before the books the teaching was given in oral tradition. meaning the followers was remembering the teaching given by examle the buddha.

Cultivation is the trasformation from human being to a spiritual being
yes, being mindful in speaking, acting, and thinking
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
It is enlightenment process, or getting mature, perfect.
the awe of love is the beginning of understanding/enlightenment


1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:17
This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
the awe of love is the beginning of understanding/enlightenment


1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:17
This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
2"If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing." 1Cor. 13
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
2"If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing." 1Cor. 13

en lieu of god, one can use the word love based on 1 john 4:8. it implies they are synonymous
 

leov

Well-Known Member
en lieu of god, one can use the word love based on 1 john 4:8. it implies they are synonymous
I do not thing English covers the case, Greek 'Agape' is more precise. God's ultimate goal is to cultivate Agape within humanity.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
so if dharma is good and murder is bad karma, is it within? or outside/subject/beneath/ the law?
Can you murder? Do you have the ability to murder? Yes. But if you murder, you will face the consequences.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I do not thing English covers the case, Greek 'Agape' is more precise. God's ultimate goal is to cultivate Agape within humanity.
God is not something separate from it's beings, even though some will project it in that way. colossians 3:11
 

Baroodi

Active Member
A pristine religion destined for our mundane life should be able to provide all the requirements for the long journey of all people to the destination of the Last day
Requirements
- road map
- sustenance
- some knowledge of the surroundings
- vaccines against communicable diseases
- safe transport
- risk management rigs and packs

All above at least need to be cloaked
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I remember a rabbi stating much the same concerning the Torah; 'they see only the outer garment'.
"fifty gates" of understanding comes to play.
I like where you're going with this, leov. But I was thinking of the 32 gates wisdom aka the the Hebrew Alphabet and the Base10 number system it represents. The outer-garment of the Torah are its letters.

@Fool, 32... you know what that means. -giggles- it's all about the heart :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I like where you're going with this, leov. But I was thinking of the 32 gates wisdom aka the the Hebrew Alphabet and the Base10 number system it represents. The outer-garment of the Torah are its letters.

@Fool, 32... you know what that means. -giggles- it's all about the heart :)



Lift up your heads, you gates; be lifted up, you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, you gates; lift them up, you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. Who is he, this King of glory? The Lord Almighty— he is the King of glory.



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