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Socialist Democrats don't care about your progressive values. Only theirs matter for themselves.

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
How sad, sanctuary cities invite thousands of undocumented migrants when there's not even enough resources available to adequately care for legal American citizens. ....:(
Because that is the politically correct thing to do and it gets it make them look like they care
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I remember visiting San Francisco about 15 years ago as a kid. It was beautiful then, albeit very hilly, and the one thing that stuck with me most was poor 10-year-old me getting God-awful diarrhea from either Ghirardelli chocolate or Bubba Gump Shrimp while we were walking on the way back to the hotel. My parents were trying to rush me and my brother back and I was sobbing as I hobbled along with some of the worst stomach cramping I have ever experienced. The shrimp was tastier, so I blame the chocolate.

I still refuse to eat Ghirardelli chocolate to this day because of that.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I remember visiting San Francisco about 15 years ago as a kid. It was beautiful then, albeit very hilly, and the one thing that stuck with me most was poor 10-year-old me getting God-awful diarrhea from either Ghirardelli chocolate or Bubba Gump Shrimp while we were walking on the way back to the hotel. My parents were trying to rush me and my brother back and I was sobbing as I hobbled along with some of the worst stomach cramping I have ever experienced. The shrimp was tastier, so I blame the chocolate.

I still refuse to eat Ghirardelli chocolate to this day because of that.
It's not great chocolate IMO.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
They make plans and conduct studies and focus groups and then magically the plans get scuttled, the studies are ignored and the focus groups break up and then we are back to square one again. They spend more money on making plans they never carry out, funding studies and creating focus group rather than actually doing any work meanwhile we have these disabled people dying in the streets.

Sounds like we need to declare a state of emergency for California to help them then.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Sounds like we need to declare a state of emergency for California to help them then.
Or call in the Marines because the state isn't doing much. It is always too little and too late and it is frustrating to say the least. The state isn't even budging a single inch to pass Right to Shelter legislation, it is always in committee and they seem intent on keeping it in that status.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I work with the homeless, bud. I am part of a ecumenical homeless ministry
And I applaud that, truly. But the question still remains, and it's a bloody hard one: how do you deal with the terrible problems of addiction (and other social ills)? Prison gets them off the street, and thus out of everybody's hair, but does it solve the problem? I don't think so. Dying also gets them off the street and out of our hair, but really, that seems so final.

You questioned the value of all the "studies" that social worker types do, but how can you answer any of these questions without studies? And further, when government rejects the recommendations of such studies, what should happen next?

I'll ask you, since you say you are part of an ecumenical homeless ministry: "what cures for the societal ills you work to assuage do you recommend? It is always easy to criticize, as I said, and much harder to frame and promote a way forward and out of the morass.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Because that is the politically correct thing to do and it gets it make them look like they care

Then, illegal immigrants should be released from overcrowded detention centers by the border and hauled to sanctuary cities in order for leaders of sanctuary cities to behave themselves politically correct and show how much they care for illegal aliens.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Or call in the Marines because the state isn't doing much. It is always too little and too late and it is frustrating to say the least. The state isn't even budging a single inch to pass Right to Shelter legislation, it is always in committee and they seem intent on keeping it in that status.
Okay, just read this, and I see that you are trying to do positive things. Please do not read my previous post as a criticism, but rather as my own strong desire to find solutions rather than condemnations.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
And I applaud that, truly. But the question still remains, and it's a bloody hard one: how do you deal with the terrible problems of addiction (and other social ills)? Prison gets them off the street, and thus out of everybody's hair, but does it solve the problem? I don't think so. Dying also gets them off the street and out of our hair, but really, that seems so final.

You questioned the value of all the "studies" that social worker types do, but how can you answer any of these questions without studies? And further, when government rejects the recommendations of such studies, what should happen next?

I'll ask you, since you say you are part of an ecumenical homeless ministry: "what cures for the societal ills you work to assuage do you recommend? It is always easy to criticize, as I said, and much harder to frame and promote a way forward and out of the morass.
You do mental health work, you try to get them into treatment if you can. We don't need more studies because we already know what is going on and what should be done about it. We need to help the most vulnerable members of society who are living in the street mentally disabled men and women (many are vets), whole families are living in abject poverty, we need to get more policing not to persecute the homeless but to protect against vicious predators. There is lots of work to do but the government doesn't seem to have the will to do it. We need to take action.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Okay, just read this, and I see that you are trying to do positive things. Please do not read my previous post as a criticism, but rather as my own strong desire to find solutions rather than condemnations.
Right now I am using my computer to find resources for various homeless individuals in my city. I am doing this right at this moment. I get them health care, help them find shelter and clothing, help them attain identification which is important to get services, I help them get in contact with long lost family and loved ones. What are you doing?
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
If people want social programs, why pick the name of
"socialism", which means something else entirely?

Atheist meant something else too. Word meanings develop.
I'm making an assumption that by 'Socialist Democrat' the OP is shorthanding for lefties rather than classical socialists looking to move the means of production to the state.

He can tell me I'm wrong if he likes, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Atheist means something else too. Word meanings develop.
I'm making an assumption that by 'Socialist Democrat' the OP is shorthanding for lefties rather than classical socialists looking to move the means of production to the state.

He can tell me I'm wrong if he likes, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
"Social capitalism" is better for several reasons....
- It'll confuse many, so they'll have to investigate it.
- It's more accurate.
- It'll upset the commies.
 
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