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seeking christianity

Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
TagliatelliMonster said:
As a wise man once said:

"They can't all be correct. But they sure can all be wrong...."
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I believe the proof is in the pudding. What religion does the most good in the world. I have had Buddhists admit that while they are sitting around trying to avoid being contaminated by suffering, Christians are out there trying to make the world a better place.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Spartan said:
We get along real well except for brash, unlearned skeptics who haven't done their homework and flaunt their folly, and those who seek to turn Christianity into something that would even embarrass the devil, were that possible.
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Not everyone in church is a Christian. I was in church from early childhood but did not become a Christian until I was 29. Before that I could be called a nominal Christian but that isn't the same thing or afterwards one could call me a born again Christian.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe you can't mean that pagans celebrated the virgin birth of Jesus or that they celebrate Jesus on the cross and resurrected.
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In Hong Kong we know how to celebrate Christmas
just fine. No need for torture and superstition.

 
Spartan

Spartan

Well-Known Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
First, the bible is more then just the NT.

Second, for many centuries, christians disagreed.

Third, in plenty places in Africa, they are still killing "witches".

4th, the bible, once again, unambigously instructs to kill witches ("mediums", "sorceresses", "necromancers",...). It's right there for all to read.

Where do you think did the Christians of medieval London and elsewhere get the idea?
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From people like you?
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
Does it involve pouring water on you?
So how does one objectively differentiate someone who received that baptism as opposed to someone that didn't?
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Spiritual water ... the holy Spirit. This is not a (physical) water baptism.

There is evidence of speaking in other languages by the holy Spirit, but obviously even that can be faked and often is. So, basically the real knowledge is between you and God. You know when you have received the holy Spirit.
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Audie said:
In Hong Kong we know how to celebrate Christmas
just fine. No need for torture and superstition.
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Back in the 60's my uncle thought that because the soldiers at war time brought Christmas to Japan, that was bringing Christianity to Japan. What they brought was 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only)
Thus, the celebration of Christmas is Not a biblical celebration but a non-biblical celebration with Christian names.
Scripture is Not superstitious, and ' torture ' is a teaching of ' Christendom ' just taught as being Scripture.
Since the Bible teaches that the dead know nothing, then No one dead is in pain.
The dead know nothing but sleep as per Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
Christmass isn't a christian holiday?
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I find there is No need ^ above ^ for a question mark (?)
That is because Christmas (Christ's mass) is Not of biblical origin.
Christian names were added and used to celebrate and promote a non-biblical celebration.
The only Red-Letter Calendar Day for Christians to remember (Luke 22:19) is the remembrance day of Jesus' death.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Back in the 60's my uncle thought that because the soldiers at war time brought Christmas to Japan, that was bringing Christianity to Japan. What they brought was 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only)
Thus, the celebration of Christmas is Not a biblical celebration but a non-biblical celebration with Christian names.
Scripture is Not superstitious, and ' torture ' is a teaching of ' Christendom ' just taught as being Scripture.
Since the Bible teaches that the dead know nothing, then No one dead is in pain.
The dead know nothing but sleep as per Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14
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Someone who grows up in the religion gets to
seeing it as normal. Looking from outside, esp
at the catholic church, we see symbols of torture
and cannibalism; dont bother saying it is not there.
We can do fine without such barbarity.

Christmas music is nice, the story itself is beautiful
even if it is not true. ( you know the whole manger
and wise men bit is fantasy)

Of course Hong Kong Christmas is not Christian.
I dont want Christianity, and few in HK do.

As for superstition-well, of course,not all of it is.
Some is, some is not.
AS HAS been said so many times, the bible is
a mix of all sorts of things. Poetry, advice good and
bad, myth, monsters, some history, some genealogy,
stuff like that. And a lot of magic realism.

Now, the parts I see as superstition you see
as sacred. To each, as they say.

But you will never hear jingle bells sung better than this

 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Audie said:
Someone who grows up in the religion gets to
seeing it as normal.........................
As for superstition-well, of course,not all of it is.
Some is, some is not.
AS HAS been said so many times, the bible is
a mix of all sorts of things. Poetry, advice good and
bad, myth, monsters, some history, some genealogy,
stuff like that. And a lot of magic realism.
Now, the parts I see as superstition you see
as sacred. To each, as they say.
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I see nothing superstitious, or magic realism, about the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth.
For, when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, "Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
( Matthew 25:31-33,37,40; 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 )

Sure, when someone grows up in a religion, cultural bias, they can see that as normal.
Especially if they do not choose to have an inquiring mind about what they are involved in.
Shepherd Jesus said his ' sheep ' would hear his voice.
So, once a person is exposed to Jesus' teachings, then if they want to believe a lie there is nothing to stop that.
Those hearing Jesus' voice, and listen to his voice will obey and follow the teachings of Jesus as found in Scripture.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I see nothing superstitious, or magic realism, about the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth.
For, when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, "Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
( Matthew 25:31-33,37,40; 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 )

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Your saying that those fantastical things are not
superstition of magic realism reads like sarcasm
though I know you dont mean it that way.

Peace and justice sounds nice, but really,
first you gotta have bronze scorpions?
 
RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
syo said:
I tried really hard to understand christianity. The conclusion I got is that christianity alone doesn't stand on it's own feet. Christianity needs other religions in order to make sense. I think burning the witches is disgusting. It's high time christianity embrace pagan religions (especially dharmic), in my opinion. When christianity stops saying it's the only ''truth'', the world will be a better place.
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I think burning witches is terrible as well.

Why dharma, why not gardnerian or goetic?
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Audie said:
but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

that does not mean, "just get along"
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To me it does. In that verse they are being exhorted to unite around Christ no one else which would reunite in them bring united.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Audie said:
Your saying that those fantastical things are not
superstition of magic realism reads like sarcasm
though I know you dont mean it that way.
Peace and justice sounds nice, but really,
first you gotta have bronze scorpions?
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Right, I did Not mean it like sarcasm, but just trying to say things with as few words as possible.
and, speaking of ' words ' (No bronze scorpions, snakes, etc. ) but Scripture informs us that it will be the ' executional words ' from Jesus' mouth that will bring Peace and Justice to Earth .
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Psalms 92:7
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
74x12 said:
Spiritual water ... the holy Spirit. This is not a (physical) water baptism.

There is evidence of speaking in other languages by the holy Spirit, but obviously even that can be faked and often is. So, basically the real knowledge is between you and God. You know when you have received the holy Spirit.
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The guy in room 2451 of the psychiatric wing, also claims to "know" that he is the reincarnation of Julius Ceasar.

How is that different from what you are saying?
How do I differentiate, in terms of credibility, your claim of "personal knowledge" with his claim of "personal knowledge"?
 
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