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AOC and the Freedom Caucus agree on something

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
AOC's tweet: Check the sky for flying
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bc Rep. Meadows, much of the Freedom Caucus & I are in agreement on preventing total surveillance of Americans without their knowledge.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I wonder about the qualifier, "total".
It raises how much surveillance she'd tolerate.
But I'm willing to be encouraged that she'll be an advocate for civil liberty.

Sure, it's good AOC is finding common ground with conservatives and "cough" libertarians....
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It exists in name only.
I've covered it before in the systems analysis of socialism thread.
It requires so much more governmental power over free association
that oppression is an emergent property of socialism. History, both
past & recent bear this out, ie, the more socialism, the more authoritarian
the regime.

It might be more of a socialism from the bottom - up, as opposed to from the top - down. More of a grassroots variety where people can do their own thing with collective ownership. It might be more of a commune, where everyone takes turns to be the sort of executive officer for the week.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It might be more of a socialism from the bottom - up, as opposed to from the top - down. More of a grassroots variety where people can do their own thing with collective ownership. It might be more of a commune, where everyone takes turns to be the sort of executive officer for the week.
Of course, voluntary socialism without government imposition is no problem for me.
But I spoke of a national context, ie, imposed by government upon a whole country.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Of course, voluntary socialism without government imposition is no problem for me.
But I spoke of a national context, ie, imposed by government upon a whole country.

Yes, although that would probably be a different type of socialism.

But there really isn't anything about socialism that would require government interference in people's private lives. In fact, it would be a waste of time and resources for any socialist government to do that. Their primary concern would be who owns what - which is something only a few bigshots worry about. The common people would be left alone and would be free to do their own thing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, although that would probably be a different type of socialism.

But there really isn't anything about socialism that would require government interference in people's private lives. In fact, it would be a waste of time and resources for any socialist government to do that. Their primary concern would be who owns what - which is something only a few bigshots worry about. The common people would be left alone and would be free to do their own thing.
Where oppression comes into play is the necessity of preventing free
economic association, because that would quickly balloon into full blown
capitalism. But a capitalist economy has no need to prevent socialist
enclaves within....they're no threat to capitalism.
 
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