Those that no faith wants

Ellen Brown · May 19, 2019

I can't count the number of different belief systems that reject people for one reason or another. The members of these same belief systems are expecting who ever they believe is their creator to want them and reward them. What if, based on your own actions, the Creator does not want you?

I'll spare you the rant that I was thinking of.

LuisDantas · May 19, 2019

Those are separate matters, aren't they?

1. Whether there are people that won't be accepted in any faith (I do not think so).
2. Whether there are faiths that reject people (sure there are).
3. Whether it is wise to expect to be rewarded by a Creator (makes no sense to me, but apparently many people do in fact expect that).
4. What if one is part of that group that I find irrational and is rejected by the Creator (I guess that would hurt them deeply).

Ellen Brown · May 19, 2019

I'm reading a story written on the premise that a new slave master is against slavery. He was ordered by his father to accept his slave as a gift.
His new slave, detects immediately that he does not want a slave and she attributes his sentiment to the fact that she is worthless. He does not put a GPS collar on her to be kind. She wants the collar to feel secure. This is a twist that is unfamiliar to me, and is hard to process. For me it was easier to think of belief systems, because real life slavery is not in my life.

Though I won't mention them by name, there are belief systems that control their members as surely as they were slaves. People seem to like it and it gives them security.

danieldemol · May 19, 2019

It may be that the liberals accept who others reject

Erebus · May 19, 2019

There are plenty of people who feel that their group and only their group is in the right. It then follows that most (or all) of them must be mistaken.

dybmh · May 19, 2019

Agreed. ( I'm going from memory, but I can try to find a source if you're interested. ) This is one of the reasons that in Judaism there is a law that a slave-owner may sometimes retain a slave after the sabbatical year. A slave, particularly one who was born in slavery, may be afraid of freedom.

Note: I think this is a good reason not to have slavery at all. No one should be put a position where they would choose slavery over freedom because of fear.

David1967 · May 19, 2019

I think we should be careful with labels here. Liberals and conservatives both accept and reject certain people, just different ones. Imho.

usfan · May 19, 2019

Isn't that just normal human bigotry? People believe their nation/family/group is 'better!' than everyone else's. That is as old as the hills, and a common human condition.

The influence of Christianity in the Enlightenment brought the idea of 'freedom of conscience' into collective law, which extolled the virtue of tolerance.

But, as always in human history, we decline into darkness and regression, and the old Standard of bigotry and intolerance is returning to the mainstream.

Brickjectivity · May 19, 2019

To me it depends on how I feel. Feeling angry is bad. Worse is to feel rejected. Worse than that is feeling betrayed. Worse that that is feeling ashamed. I think feeling ashamed is the worst and is bitterness, so if all I feel is rejected that at least is better than feeling betrayed or shamed. Since the rejection is based on my own actions it depends on if I have stuck to principles. I will not be ashamed of being rejected if its for my principles.

SalixIncendium · May 19, 2019

My creator neither wants nor rewards. It creates. Nothing more*.

*Except when it’s preserving or destroying

syo · May 22, 2019

God doesn't want people? I think God doesn't want certain actions.

Twilight Hue · May 22, 2019

One could say it would be a self-serving acceptance .

osgart · May 22, 2019

The creator did a lousy job of creating. I do not need to appease one. Nor do i believe in one existing.

Looking at how things are created, god is haphazard, blind, and indifferent. Intelligence is a natural phenomena not owned by one particular being.

False standards is something humans are quite good at creating. Then the expectation that others should live up to their standards or face persecution and rejection. So what!

danieldemol · May 22, 2019

One could not read the hearts and minds, therefore such a one would be purely speculating on the basis of their own pre-conceived biases

Neutral Name · Jun 1, 2019

I think that Jesus was a liberal. If you really read the New Testament, you find out that money was not his objective. There isn't even anything in the Bible about the prosperity gospel. It actually goes against the teachings of Jesus. He was all about love and acceptance of others. I can give you passages if you would like. I have researched this extensively, of course, in the New Testament of the Bible.

Neutral Name · Jun 1, 2019

You are so right! God loves everyone.

Maponos · Jun 24, 2019

Impiety? At least that's one of the only things I think all religions (modern and ancient) have in common.

Those that no faith wants

Ellen Brown

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Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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