NDE, visions of God or lies from satan?

Audie said:

I think it is a big mistake to take sides in an issue
for which there is so little evidence, and so prejudice
any chance of objectivity. So yeah, agree there!

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As to babies- I think you misunderstood me. Of course
a mother is more or less magically connected to her baby.
I hope to experience that. Up to now my life has been too
unstable for it to be right to have a baby.

In the instance I was talking about, we, the mother and I,
were watching the baby making all those faces. IF the
child really was feeling all those things by turn, poor kid!
The expressions changed so quickly, and so randomly,
I dont think so. His mom was as surprised as I, and, as
I said, she never saw that before or after.

The child certainly seems "normal", no mental issues
at all other than that he is so incredibly smart, he is 6
years old, reading The Iliad (again) and taking a couple of
high school courses.

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ComaToast said:

Hi everyone!

I am almost literally, obsessed with this topic. I can't help it! It's practically all I think about in my spare time, all I research and meditate on. Obviously it's extremely important to me lol, and now that I have found your wondeful site I finally found the place to discuss it with the right mix of people. Thank you for that guys!!! Whoop whoop you all rock no matter what you believe ❤

Here is the question:

Are people's near death experiences true visions of the afterlife or are they a deception from satan?

Feel free to skip the rest of this post and answer if you like

To me, there is no more important question to be asked/answered.

A little back story. (Or a lot sorry guys)- I was once a devout christian. 10 years ago if you told me that I would not be a christian today, I would have genuinely laughed at you. I was a true believer, sincere and as pure of heart as a person can be. But I had this nagging splinter in my spiritual mind. Every time I heard the doctrine of hell preached, I think I literally raised a shield over my heart unconsciously. Once that became a conscious phenomenon, I decided I had to do something about it. Namely, study, pray, and search.

I found The Restitution of All Things by Andrew Jukes. What a balm that book was to my soul!!! I devoured it. I discovered early christian philosophies, and Origen. That was all new to me.

At that time it turned out that it was only a matter of misinterpretation! Fire and brimstone are cleansing and purifying. Jesus is the jubilee of jubilees! So many other things I have since forgotten. But it was BEAUTIFUL!!!!

I remember the day, the first day I believed that NO ONE goes to hell forever. Very clearly I remember it! I got into my car, drove around, and every single person I saw made me weep with joy! I was a weeping lunatic lol. Looking at everyone, saying I will see you in heaven! And you and you and YOU and you and you.... Lol. It was a magically beautiful moment.

So naturally, being brimming over with joy at this good news I brought it to the elders, and my brother, who at the time was in school getting his bachelors degree. He was actively studying greek and hebrew and fully immersed in it.

These people who I fully trusted, were able to systematically shut me down. I wasn't studying greek and hebrew. I wasn't going to school or had not graduated from school, with the qualifications to make keen observations. By and large, the answer I remember, when I pressed them in my exuberant passion, was "His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts". That's when I was doing well lol. When I was really making them work for it.

I think one day, and it wasn't a fully conscious decision, I said "I do not believe this". I was teaching music ministry to youth group at the time. Just one DAY! POP! was GONE. Talk about a crisis.

Now skip to the end! If you've read all this I thank you kindly. Sorry for being verbose but I feel context is necessary.

So I "popped" out of christianity. I think it was 2 years later or so, when I finally had to have the talk with my parents. That I no longer believed. Boy, that was hard.

So after that whole ordeal, I found myself wandering and searching. I found little to stimulate me spiritually. I looked into different faiths, ba'hai particularly and bahaullah (sorry if spelled wrong). But nothing was speaking to my spirit, really. Nothing was stimulating me like Jesus did.

Until I found Near Death Experiences. It was kind of a eureka moment! Go straight to the horse's mouth. These people clinically died man! They were revived and able to tell their experiences.

To me, this was IT! No need to listen to people who lived thousands of years ago. These people, went there FIRST HAND.

So unless I am wanting to write a book, I should leave it there. So sorry!

Joe Schmoe who died in the O.R. and floated around the hospital, before being sucked up in the tunnel to meet the light... WHY IS HIS EXPERIENCE SATANIC. He says, that God is love and light, and not to worry about a thing. WHY can't we listen, to him?

When I found NDE's I soaked them up like a sponge. They resonate with my highest self. The truths that my spirit knows but cannot express.

Please guys! Tell me your thoughts. This is what my life is all about. I am also a talented artist and musician. I believe that God is putting tremendous pressure on me, so that I proclaim the real good news. My heart is decwptively wicked my brother would say. I create god in my own image in order to justify living a sinful life.

But how is wanting every single person who ever lived, to be reconciled to God, wicked in any way? I asked him that and he quoted scripture to me.

Sorry loves! I'm on fire over here. Again if yoy've read all of this THANK you for your time ❤

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David1967 said:

I have studied this topic myself as I too am very interested. One thing I found when looking into this across different cultures and religions is that nde's tend to match the religion of the one having the experience.

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Terry Sampson said:

I say: There is no Hell, just Heaven. Of course, if you don't want to be there, then Heaven is Hell.
You're in Purgatory, if you want to be in Heaven but have to watch a lot of movies, first, of the people that you harmed or hurt or could have helped but didn't, and how that harm/hurt/neglect affected them and rippled through their lives, the lives of others around them, and their descendants, if any.

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dingdao said:

It just doesn't make [sense] for the Christian Satan to greet you with love and acceptance,

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TagliatelliMonster said:

That website presents nothing but anecdotes. Which are just bare claims without evidence.

When extremely outlandish claims are being made without evidence, the most likely answer is not that the claims are correct. The most likely answer is that those making the claim are either mistaken or lying.

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Jainarayan said:

That makes sense:

jāki rahi bhāvanā jaisi prabhu mūrat dekhi tin taisi (the way one perceives God, He will appear in that very same way to the devotee).

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anna b. said:

Excellent. : )



If I'm wrong please correct me, but from your first reference to babies, you said their expressions had nothing to do with their emotions, and I most definitely disagree. Babies experience emotions just like we do, even if they don't yet have the ability to understand cause and effect and all the other aspects of experience and cognition.

In relating your beliefs about babies' expressions (that they don't reflect real emotion) and the expressions of the faces of dying people who have the cognitive ability to understand and recognize who they're seeing or remembering, I just cannot find the two equal in comparison.

As for the baby's face you saw change so rapidly, it's astounding how lightning-fast the brain of a baby develops in response to experience, how fast neuronal connections are being laid down, consolidated and strengthened - or discarded as unnecessary. And a highly-intelligent baby? How much more so, when the genetics and the environment are optimal...

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ComaToast said:

This is just evidence to me that it doesn't matter what we believe here.

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Muffled said:

I believe one may have an actual experience with God or simply devise ones own vision of Him.

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The disparity suggests that the latter happens often enough.

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ComaToast said:

Hi everyone!

I am almost literally, obsessed with this topic. I can't help it! It's practically all I think about in my spare time, all I research and meditate on. Obviously it's extremely important to me lol, and now that I have found your wondeful site I finally found the place to discuss it with the right mix of people. Thank you for that guys!!! Whoop whoop you all rock no matter what you believe ❤

Here is the question:

Are people's near death experiences true visions of the afterlife or are they a deception from satan?

Feel free to skip the rest of this post and answer if you like

To me, there is no more important question to be asked/answered.

A little back story. (Or a lot sorry guys)- I was once a devout christian. 10 years ago if you told me that I would not be a christian today, I would have genuinely laughed at you. I was a true believer, sincere and as pure of heart as a person can be. But I had this nagging splinter in my spiritual mind. Every time I heard the doctrine of hell preached, I think I literally raised a shield over my heart unconsciously. Once that became a conscious phenomenon, I decided I had to do something about it. Namely, study, pray, and search.

I found The Restitution of All Things by Andrew Jukes. What a balm that book was to my soul!!! I devoured it. I discovered early christian philosophies, and Origen. That was all new to me.

At that time it turned out that it was only a matter of misinterpretation! Fire and brimstone are cleansing and purifying. Jesus is the jubilee of jubilees! So many other things I have since forgotten. But it was BEAUTIFUL!!!!

I remember the day, the first day I believed that NO ONE goes to hell forever. Very clearly I remember it! I got into my car, drove around, and every single person I saw made me weep with joy! I was a weeping lunatic lol. Looking at everyone, saying I will see you in heaven! And you and you and YOU and you and you.... Lol. It was a magically beautiful moment.

So naturally, being brimming over with joy at this good news I brought it to the elders, and my brother, who at the time was in school getting his bachelors degree. He was actively studying greek and hebrew and fully immersed in it.

These people who I fully trusted, were able to systematically shut me down. I wasn't studying greek and hebrew. I wasn't going to school or had not graduated from school, with the qualifications to make keen observations. By and large, the answer I remember, when I pressed them in my exuberant passion, was "His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts". That's when I was doing well lol. When I was really making them work for it.

I think one day, and it wasn't a fully conscious decision, I said "I do not believe this". I was teaching music ministry to youth group at the time. Just one DAY! POP! was GONE. Talk about a crisis.

Now skip to the end! If you've read all this I thank you kindly. Sorry for being verbose but I feel context is necessary.

So I "popped" out of christianity. I think it was 2 years later or so, when I finally had to have the talk with my parents. That I no longer believed. Boy, that was hard.

So after that whole ordeal, I found myself wandering and searching. I found little to stimulate me spiritually. I looked into different faiths, ba'hai particularly and bahaullah (sorry if spelled wrong). But nothing was speaking to my spirit, really. Nothing was stimulating me like Jesus did.

Until I found Near Death Experiences. It was kind of a eureka moment! Go straight to the horse's mouth. These people clinically died man! They were revived and able to tell their experiences.

To me, this was IT! No need to listen to people who lived thousands of years ago. These people, went there FIRST HAND.

So unless I am wanting to write a book, I should leave it there. So sorry!

Joe Schmoe who died in the O.R. and floated around the hospital, before being sucked up in the tunnel to meet the light... WHY IS HIS EXPERIENCE SATANIC. He says, that God is love and light, and not to worry about a thing. WHY can't we listen, to him?

When I found NDE's I soaked them up like a sponge. They resonate with my highest self. The truths that my spirit knows but cannot express.

Please guys! Tell me your thoughts. This is what my life is all about. I am also a talented artist and musician. I believe that God is putting tremendous pressure on me, so that I proclaim the real good news. My heart is decwptively wicked my brother would say. I create god in my own image in order to justify living a sinful life.

But how is wanting every single person who ever lived, to be reconciled to God, wicked in any way? I asked him that and he quoted scripture to me.

Sorry loves! I'm on fire over here. Again if yoy've read all of this THANK you for your time ❤

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ComaToast said:

Hi everyone!

I am almost literally, obsessed with this topic. I can't help it! It's practically all I think about in my spare time, all I research and meditate on. Obviously it's extremely important to me lol, and now that I have found your wondeful site I finally found the place to discuss it with the right mix of people. Thank you for that guys!!! Whoop whoop you all rock no matter what you believe ❤

Here is the question:

Are people's near death experiences true visions of the afterlife or are they a deception from satan?

Feel free to skip the rest of this post and answer if you like

To me, there is no more important question to be asked/answered.

A little back story. (Or a lot sorry guys)- I was once a devout christian. 10 years ago if you told me that I would not be a christian today, I would have genuinely laughed at you. I was a true believer, sincere and as pure of heart as a person can be. But I had this nagging splinter in my spiritual mind. Every time I heard the doctrine of hell preached, I think I literally raised a shield over my heart unconsciously. Once that became a conscious phenomenon, I decided I had to do something about it. Namely, study, pray, and search.

I found The Restitution of All Things by Andrew Jukes. What a balm that book was to my soul!!! I devoured it. I discovered early christian philosophies, and Origen. That was all new to me.

At that time it turned out that it was only a matter of misinterpretation! Fire and brimstone are cleansing and purifying. Jesus is the jubilee of jubilees! So many other things I have since forgotten. But it was BEAUTIFUL!!!!

I remember the day, the first day I believed that NO ONE goes to hell forever. Very clearly I remember it! I got into my car, drove around, and every single person I saw made me weep with joy! I was a weeping lunatic lol. Looking at everyone, saying I will see you in heaven! And you and you and YOU and you and you.... Lol. It was a magically beautiful moment.

So naturally, being brimming over with joy at this good news I brought it to the elders, and my brother, who at the time was in school getting his bachelors degree. He was actively studying greek and hebrew and fully immersed in it.

These people who I fully trusted, were able to systematically shut me down. I wasn't studying greek and hebrew. I wasn't going to school or had not graduated from school, with the qualifications to make keen observations. By and large, the answer I remember, when I pressed them in my exuberant passion, was "His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts". That's when I was doing well lol. When I was really making them work for it.

I think one day, and it wasn't a fully conscious decision, I said "I do not believe this". I was teaching music ministry to youth group at the time. Just one DAY! POP! was GONE. Talk about a crisis.

Now skip to the end! If you've read all this I thank you kindly. Sorry for being verbose but I feel context is necessary.

So I "popped" out of christianity. I think it was 2 years later or so, when I finally had to have the talk with my parents. That I no longer believed. Boy, that was hard.

So after that whole ordeal, I found myself wandering and searching. I found little to stimulate me spiritually. I looked into different faiths, ba'hai particularly and bahaullah (sorry if spelled wrong). But nothing was speaking to my spirit, really. Nothing was stimulating me like Jesus did.

Until I found Near Death Experiences. It was kind of a eureka moment! Go straight to the horse's mouth. These people clinically died man! They were revived and able to tell their experiences.

To me, this was IT! No need to listen to people who lived thousands of years ago. These people, went there FIRST HAND.

So unless I am wanting to write a book, I should leave it there. So sorry!

Joe Schmoe who died in the O.R. and floated around the hospital, before being sucked up in the tunnel to meet the light... WHY IS HIS EXPERIENCE SATANIC. He says, that God is love and light, and not to worry about a thing. WHY can't we listen, to him?

When I found NDE's I soaked them up like a sponge. They resonate with my highest self. The truths that my spirit knows but cannot express.

Please guys! Tell me your thoughts. This is what my life is all about. I am also a talented artist and musician. I believe that God is putting tremendous pressure on me, so that I proclaim the real good news. My heart is decwptively wicked my brother would say. I create god in my own image in order to justify living a sinful life.

But how is wanting every single person who ever lived, to be reconciled to God, wicked in any way? I asked him that and he quoted scripture to me.

Sorry loves! I'm on fire over here. Again if yoy've read all of this THANK you for your time ❤

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Muffled said:

I believe ...

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• I post to someone else that I believe something.
• You post to me that you:
  • You believe that my belief has no foundation, and
  • You believe that anyone can say anything, but their saying something doesn't make what they say true;
  • You believe that the people you have encountered who say what I say I believe love their sin;
  • You believe that what I said I believe doesn't happen in Heaven;
  • You believe that "a person is said to have their whole life flash before them when they die", but
  • You believe that a whole life flashing before them most likely happens before they go anywhere;
  • You believe that people who believe that God or the devil torments people in Hell by making them remember their past lives is most likely speculation; and
  • You believe that it is possible that a spirit, when bored in Hell, would recall past lives.

1. Neat! ... and so colorful, too. The color's a nice touch and helps me keep your horsesh** properly separated and neatly packaged. Thanks.
2. You say that you believe a, b, c, d, e, f, g, and h. Interesting. I just encountered someone who believes that just because a person says something doesn't make it true. You ought to meet him. I think you'd really like him.
3. So, you appear to believe:
   • That a person's spirit survives his/her death;
   • That it is possible that:
     • that a spirit could spend some time in Hell; and
       
     • that, while there, the spirit could get bored; and
     • that, when bored, that spirit might recall past lives; but
     • that saying God or the devil intentionally torment a spirit in Hell by forcing them to recall events from their life outside of Hell, is probably speculation;
   • That a person's 'past life recall' most likely happens before they die;
   • That none of what I believe happens, happens in Heaven;
   • That folks who believe what I believe love their sin.
   • Fascinating! Sin, Spirits, Heaven, Hell, God, the Devil, Boredom in Hell, Multiple Past Life recalls,... that's quite a wheelbarrow-full of horsesh** you brought to me. And all for free, too. Thanks.
4. Out of curiosity, where do you buy your manure and how much do you pay for it?

ComaToast said:

When I found NDE's I soaked them up like a sponge. They resonate with my highest self. The truths that my spirit knows but cannot express.

Please guys! Tell me your thoughts. This is what my life is all about. I am also a talented artist and musician. I believe that God is putting tremendous pressure on me, so that I proclaim the real good news. My heart is decwptively wicked my brother would say. I create god in my own image in order to justify living a sinful life.

But how is wanting every single person who ever lived, to be reconciled to God, wicked in any way? I asked him that and he quoted scripture to me.

Sorry loves! I'm on fire over here. Again if yoy've read all of this THANK you for your time ❤

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Muffled said:

I believe that is difficult to say for sure. He is a deceiver and can turn himself into an angel of light if it suits his purposes.

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dingdao said:

You've watched too much Lucifer.

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ComaToast said:

Are people's near death experiences true visions of the afterlife or are they a deception from satan?

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