Stanyon
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Some do it anyway as a matter of course, it's a nice sentiment albeit a bit naive.
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Some do it anyway as a matter of course, it's a nice sentiment albeit a bit naive.
That's a good point. But the military itself doesn't turn a blind eye. There is a moral code that separates us from barbarians.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
PMCs, on the other hand...
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Private Military Corporations, what the US euphemistically refers to her mercenaries as.
I'm not entirely convinced that the military doesn't turn a blind eye. This is because much of what they do is to blind the public's eyes and keep most of their activities classified for security reasons.
As for a moral code that separates us from Barbarians - at least the Barbarians fought for survival or defense. Our wars (at least in recent times) have not been for our survival or the direct defense of our territory. At least Barbarians didn't have the same level of pretense about it. Even if they were engaged in naked aggression, at least they were honest about it - which is more than can be said for our own leadership.
ecco
Veteran Member
If Trump pardons his cronies well, that's just Trump righting a wrong committed by a bunch of dum leftist leaning civilians.
However, that's not the situation here. Commander-in-Chief Trump would be saying that the Military Court, composed of officers, is a bunch of dummies whose judgement He does not value and will override.
But the accusations are not generated from the military or political establishment but from the grass roots, from those who served with them.
Audie
Veteran Member
A case could be made that no SS deserved more than
immediate execution. From the stories I heard about
what the Japanese did in HK, let alone Nanjing, allied
soldiers might be excused for not much valuing
Japanese lives.
Then too, there have been times when there was no
way to accept a surrender and deal with prisoners.
Gunning down surrendering foes apparently has been
quite common. And made more so by those who
"surrender"only to produce a weapon.
The whole war is a crime, in any case.
Audie
Veteran Member
Not to get into whatabout, but, seriously? That would
apply to pretty much any presidential pardon, would it
not?
ecco
Veteran Member
I was referring to one very specific case.
I don't see how that's relevant to the point I was making.
What I meant by the military not turning a blind eye, they are forced into a public response when exposed and denial no longer works.
Initially, three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen,
A twenty one year old writes;
'It would indeed be terrible to find it necessary to believe that an American soldier that harbors such racial intolerance and disregard for justice and human feeling is a prototype of all American national character; yet the frequency of such soldiers lends credulity to such beliefs. ... What has been outlined here I have seen not only in my own unit, but also in others we have worked with, and I fear it is universal. If this is indeed the case, it is a problem which cannot be overlooked, but can through a more firm implementation of the codes of MACV (Military Assistance Command Vietnam) and the Geneva Conventions, perhaps be eradicated.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
The document shows how Kerry was opposed to the inhumane tactics that were used by soldiers to suppress the enemy as they amounted to war crimes.
https://essayswriters.com/essays/History/john-kerry-denounces-the-vietnam-war.html
Or the human rights violations against detainees in the Abu Ghraib Iraq. These are all 'war crimes'.
Abu Ghraib is a city in the Baghdad Governorate of Iraq, located just west of Baghdad's city center, or northwest of Baghdad International Airport. It has a population of 189,000. The old road to Jordan passes through Abu Ghraib. The government of Iraq created the city and Abu Ghraib District in 1944.
en.wikipedia.org
prison in Iraq. These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder.