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Constituttional Trump fights

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's what executive privilege is, a declaration that some subpoena concerns what Congress has no authority to demand. When Obama used it to protect Eric Holder, there was a subpoena that Obama declared void for that it was regarding a protected executive matter.
The problem for Trump is that executive privilege is limited. He has clearly exceeded the scope of it. That is why the congress has shifted. He may be impeached now where earlier he was relatively safe. By opposing the investigation into him, which is the job of Congress he has now obstructed justice.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Trump doesn't give a dam about our economy.
trump thinks about and only cares for himself
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Considering it's one of his campaign promises, and he Is fulfilling it, and its gonna win him 2020. All evidence points to you opinion as wrong.:D
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
No he isn't. Trump will turn around and use the money to build his wall
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Gonna need more than 1.4 billion to build the wall. But hey let's those immigrants starve and thirst to death in the desert. Its not like Dems actually care like they say.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
The problem for Trump is that executive privilege is limited.
It depends, largely on what basis for the privilege they invoke.

By opposing the investigation into him, which is the job of Congress he has now obstructed justice.
There is no world in which the mere invocation of privilege is in and of itself an offense. This will go to the Supreme Court, where it will be decided whose authority prevails.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It depends, largely on what basis for the privilege they invoke.


There is no world in which the mere invocation of privilege is in and of itself an offense. This will go to the Supreme Court, where it will be decided whose authority prevails.

Hopefully we still have enough honest judges. Right now it is not looking good. There are too many that appear to be willing to toss the Constitution now that Trump has packed the court.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
The last time executive privilege was issued was 2 years into Obama's 2nd term, it only got resolved 2 years into Trumps first term in April of 2019.

Settlement in Fast and Furious executive privilege lawsuit between DOJ and the House - CNNPolitics

A small clip of bad news for the anti-trumpettes: The House stated in the settlement that it, too, still disagrees with the prior court's orders, "including its conclusion that the deliberative process privileged may be asserted against Congress," the signed settlement agreement said.

Ouch yeah 4-5 years of court ahead of you boys and more than likely the executive privilege will uphold, at least partially. I imagine the resulting decision will be much like the compromise the DoJ offered which is to let any on Congress that want to view a less redacted copy can under DoJ supervision and rules.

Course it wont matter by then. Trump will be well into if not almost done with his 2nd term by then.:D

It's almost like I wrote this story it aligns so well with what I've said here.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
U.S. District Judge Edgardo Ramos today denied President Donald Trump's further attempt to block subpoenas from Democratically-controlled House committees who are trying to have 2 accounting firms turn over Donald Trump's financial records to Trump's political adversaries who refuse to give up their political fishing expedition against our POTUS , his family, his businesses and others whom Trump's political adversaries continually harass and politically target...:eek:
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
U.S. District Judge Edgardo Ramos today denied President Donald Trump's further attempt to block subpoenas from Democratically-controlled House committees who are trying to have 2 accounting firms turn over Donald Trump's financial records to Trump's political adversaries who refuse to give up their political fishing expedition against our POTUS , his family, his businesses and others whom Trump's political adversaries continually harass and politically target...:eek:

If you think this is the end of the issue, you are wrong, It will be appealed all the way to SCOTUS.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The problem is that there is a limit to the resisting that a President can do. Can anyone find any case where executive privilege applied to subpoenas from Congress? That could be obstruction of justice even if he is "innocent".
If executive privilege allows this, than Trump is doing nothing wrong.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
U.S. District Judge Edgardo Ramos today denied President Donald Trump's further attempt to block subpoenas from Democratically-controlled House committees who are trying to have 2 accounting firms turn over Donald Trump's financial records to Trump's political adversaries who refuse to give up their political fishing expedition against our POTUS , his family, his businesses and others whom Trump's political adversaries continually harass and politically target...:eek:
It's a socialist Democrat coup attempt.

There is no other reason for this type of insanity to continue except for the purpose to unseat a sitting president whose only 'crime' is not handing over his tax returns to people who have no business in looking at it in the first place.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Considering Trump misrepresents himself--often and frequently--he has himself to blame for that.
His policies are spot-on and he's keeping his campaign promises by actually doing things.

If that's misrepresenting oneself, I'm all for it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If executive privilege allows this, than Trump is doing nothing wrong.
What makes you think that it does? Just because an idiot says it does does not make that the case. When it comes to investigating the President the power for that Constitutionally is in Congress.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When it comes to investigating the President the power for that Constitutionally is in Congress.

That responsibility resides with "The House of Representatives"

The is not a question directed to the public, the vast majority, it’s a question directed to The House of Representatives.

& Let the chips fall wherever they may,

If a Republican Senator supports what Trump is and has been doing then let this Republican Senator stand up and vote,
Ya or Ney

What say you—

let this Republican Senator stand up and vote—

Ya or Ney

For all to see :)-



 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I watched a Star Trek episode last night that reminded me of trump’s mentality

If Trump had his way, he would make hospitals pick and chose who is to be treaded in the same way as this episode shows—

I encourage you to watch it.

Star Trek Voyager S07E05 - Critical Care

Once you have watched it, tell me what this hospital’s rules were when treating a patient?
:)-
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I watched a Star Trek episode last night that reminded me of trump’s mentality

If Trump had his way, he would make hospitals pick and chose who is to be treaded in the same way as this episode shows—

I encourage you to watch it.

Star Trek Voyager S07E05 - Critical Care

Once you have watched it, tell me what this hospital’s rules were when treating a patient?
:)-

Yes because sci-fi with a magical make anything machine is a great example of reality with supply and demand.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
In short, you have not watched that episode & have no idea what I am talking about.
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Wrong I have seen the episode. What you do not understand is the context of the franchise as you are a causal fan at best. See by the time of TNG the franchise developed the idea of a replicator shifting the Federation into a post-scarcity civilization for 99.9% of resources. The only limitation is energy for warp travel via dilithium. The replicator technology enables the Federation to create almost anything it wants by energy to matter conversion. Want a burger? The replicator will create one for you from energy. Want steel? The replicator can make it. The alien civilization in the episode is a resource scarcity society that is also overpopulated thus using triage in an extreme form, triage by merit. The episode only resolved two issues. Using limited resource for preemptive care and the supply system decreasing a supply if the system detected a decreased use conflating it with a reduced need overall. The Federation never resolved the resource issue by providing the aliens with the technology to change not only the system in question but their whole way of life. All while looking down their noses about how horrible people that are not them with their technology they do not share. The ship goes along it's merry way not changing anything which causes the actual issue; limited resources.

You didn't watch the episode closely nor understand that most of the Federation is a fictional utopian society which does not exist in reality.


It's not scotch!

 
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james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Wrong I have seen the episode. What you do not understand is the context

In that program, only patients with trade skills and/or a higher education were treated in that hospital. Those without those skills were left to die.
My point is clear, trump would support this
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