Jesus was right and didn’t change his mind. Jesus said: "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.". And that is true, he was sent for Jews. Reason who Jesus did what was asked is that the woman showed faith ("Woman, great is your faith! Be it done to you even as you desire.").
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Jesus and the Canaanite woman
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Jesus was right and didn’t change his mind. Jesus said: "I wasn't sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.". And that is true, he was sent for Jews. Reason who Jesus did what was asked is that the woman showed faith ("Woman, great is your faith! Be it done to you even as you desire.").
74x12
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Jesus is right and she was a dog because she wasn't in the Covenant with God. That's the only reason. It's not racial. Jesus Himself had Canaanite women in His ancestry. But, dogs were unclean animals. It wasn't just a random insult. However, the woman showed great faith regardless of her lack of Covenant-ship with God; so He respected that.
I like to think that she and her daughter later on converted to the new Covenant.
Spartan
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Jesus and the Samaritan Woman
“The Samaritan woman grasped what Jesus said with fervor that came from an awareness of her real need. The transaction was fascinating. She has come with a bucket. He sent her back with a spring of living water. She had come as a reject. He sent her back being accepted by God Himself. She came wounded. He sent her back whole. She came laden with questions. He sent her back as a source for answers. She came living a life of quiet desperation. She ran back overflowing with hope. The disciples missed it all. It was lunchtime for them.” ― Ravi Zacharias
“The Samaritan woman grasped what Jesus said with fervor that came from an awareness of her real need. The transaction was fascinating. She has come with a bucket. He sent her back with a spring of living water. She had come as a reject. He sent her back being accepted by God Himself. She came wounded. He sent her back whole. She came laden with questions. He sent her back as a source for answers. She came living a life of quiet desperation. She ran back overflowing with hope. The disciples missed it all. It was lunchtime for them.” ― Ravi Zacharias
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Jesus was campaigning for the working Hewish people, who were being ripped off and abused by the priesthood and Temple corruption.
The Canaanite woman was not a Jew, and not being impoverished by Temple rip-offs.
But Jesus liked her spirit, and changed his mind. No problem there.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Unlikely.
Galileans were converts from the time of the Babylon 'rule'.
Jesus was no descendant of Judah, despite the rubbish proposed by Matthew and Luke.
Jesus picked up the mission run by the Baptist after his arrest.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No.
Absolutely not.
Jesus was campaigning for the working people, for fair treatment, just as the Baptist had been.
Their Temple was full of graven images and the pics of Baal, as shown on the Temple coinage which every Jewish man had to buy, touch and hold. If they brought their own lamb for sacrifice it could be condemned as imperfect and the high-cost temple lambs were therefore compulsory. They got ripped off for every service, bed and board by the local Judeans......... it was a hypocritical farce.
But Jesus was against all that, and wanted ALL the old laws brought back including no doubt the poor laws.
This was all about 'the Jewish people'...... can't you see that?
The gentile thing was manipulated in after Jesus's mission was over.
David J
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David J
Member
No I can't see it, you are strawman.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Because you can't see it, so I am a strawman?
That really is a pathetic response to simple objective study and balance of probability.
But then, of course........ such a finding would separate Jesus the campaigner {for his own} from Christ the God.
And so I think 'you are strawman', back.
David J
Member
"Jesus was campaigning for the working people, for fair treatment, just as the Baptist had been."
The story says otherwise, that's your own stretching interpretation. It shows that Jesus can look the other way with Gentiles and, even women. It was meant as a shock, and not to change the discrimination.That's the significance of the story.
The story says otherwise, that's your own stretching interpretation. It shows that Jesus can look the other way with Gentiles and, even women. It was meant as a shock, and not to change the discrimination.That's the significance of the story.
sooda
Veteran Member
This is more political spin. Israel dominated Judah and was far more prosperous.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
The thing that strikes me most about Jesus' story is that if he wasn't handing out free healthcare, most people would have no use for him.
That's not how being a shepherd works. Eventually, lamb chops are getting served.
They all did if Hebrew because Hebrews were just one flavor of Canaanites. Jews just convinced themselves they weren't.
Yes, I typically pledge my heart to someone who insults me. [/sarcasm]
sooda
Veteran Member
The Jews in Judah hated and envied the more prosperous, Hellenized Jews of Galilee and the Decapolis. Israel in the north dominated Judah..