An Interesting Thing About The Missouri Abortion Bill

Revoltingest said:

In the news....
Missouri House approves near-total abortion ban, sends it to governor for signature

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Hello Revolting.......

Question.
If a child (In Missouri) becomes very ill, and if the parents have no money, does the State provide free and best quality medicine, surgery and nursing for that child?

My point is, do poor children have a greater risk of death than rich children in Missouri?

ecco said:

If it's too hard for you to post some excerpts to support your argument, why do you think I should bother?

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Are you one of the people who reads the headlines of news articles, the associated one-sentence excerpt, and then reads nothing else? I often do the same when I'm scrolling down Facebook, so I'm not knocking you, but still. I did exactly what you asked, but apparently it isn't good enough for you. I'd post some excerpts, but I'm worried next post you'll change your mind and say that a few excerpts isn't enough either. Please state exactly your list of requirements for what you want to see for it to be worth your time to look at. In my day, when we asked for sources and got them and even had them in convenient links we could click, we actually went and looked at them ourselves to see the full story.

oldbadger said:

Hello Revolting.......

Question.
If a child (In Missouri) becomes very ill, and if the parents have no money, does the State provide free and best quality medicine, surgery and nursing for that child?

My point is, do poor children have a greater risk of death than rich children in Missouri?

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Best? Nope. Most systems even SP do not even offer the best but the most economical.

Yes the poor in general face greater health risks due to being poor. The classes have different options which are often exclusive due to funding differences.

oldbadger said:

Hello Revolting.......

Question.
If a child (In Missouri) becomes very ill, and if the parents have no money, does the State provide free and best quality medicine, surgery and nursing for that child?.

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No. That would be too expensive...

oldbadger said:

My point is, do poor children have a greater risk of death than rich children in Missouri?

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Poor children have a much greater risk of death than rich children, everywhere on the planet, pretty much...

oldbadger said:

Hello Revolting.......

Question.
If a child (In Missouri) becomes very ill, and if the parents have no money, does the State provide free and best quality medicine, surgery and nursing for that child?

My point is, do poor children have a greater risk of death than rich children in Missouri?

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I don't know anything about Missouri...except that it's southish of me.

Shad said:

Best? Nope. Most systems even SP do not even offer the best but the most economical.

Yes the poor in general face greater health risks due to being poor. The classes have different options which are often exclusive due to funding differences.

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OK......... thanks for the info..... so much of this pro-life thing is total bloody hypocrisy? Got it.

Apart from many kinds of Medical needs terminations I reckon that a 12 week limit is reasonable, but where a mother is forced to give birth against her will then all medicare and education expenses plus good family allowances should be there. Hell, that should be in place for all children. It's genuine Pro-Life.

Bob the Unbeliever said:

No. That would be too expensive...

Poor children have a much greater risk of death than rich children, everywhere on the planet, pretty much...

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....... Thanks for the info.......... and in that case, people should have the right to choose not to have children, although a 12 week limit seems reasonable.

If the poor get less chance of medicine etc then the Pro-life thing is just hypocrisy.

Revoltingest said:

I don't know anything about Missouri...except that it's southish of me.

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It's a bit Westish of me.
It also seems a bit hypocritical.
Some of your States seem to be going backwards.

oldbadger said:

It's a bit Westish of me.
It also seems a bit hypocritical.
Some of your States seem to be going backwards.

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It all depends upon what one believes is progress.
To this heathen, abortion rights are.

Shiranui117 said:

Now compare that to the millions upon millions of pro-lifers from every (non-)religious and ethnic background in this country.

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Shiranui117 said:

Are you one of the people who reads the headlines of news articles, the associated one-sentence excerpt, and then reads nothing else?

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No. I'm actually one of those people who does read articles posted. The reason is that I find that many people on these forums see headlines that they think support their views and, without bothering to actually read the articles themselves, post those links.

Here is a recent example:
In Depth Study of 'Fake News' And How It Spreads

On the other hand, when someone makes none of their own commentary and just posts a bunch of links like you did (3), I don't bother looking at all. Experience has shown me that they usually have nothing of their own to add to the conversation and hope posting a wall of links will suffice.

oldbadger said:

OK......... thanks for the info..... so much of this pro-life thing is total bloody hypocrisy? Got it.

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No as I include national systems. Ergo government provided system are not the best in the world.

Apart from many kinds of Medical needs terminations I reckon that a 12 week limit is reasonable, but where a mother is forced to give birth against her will then all medicare and education expenses plus good family allowances should be there.

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Unless she had sex against her will she can deal with the consequences of her choice. She isn't going to get a free ride.

Hell, that should be in place for all children. It's genuine Pro-Life.

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No that is just pro-spending based on rhetoric. Someone that is rich does not need that support at all.

*You made a double-post.

Shad said:

Unless she had sex against her will she can deal with the consequences of her choice. She isn't going to get a free ride.

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So the State does not give a hoot for the child in fact.
How totally shocking.
What a dreadful indictment upon the voters and governors of such States that would be.

No true Christian .........

oldbadger said:

So the State does not give a hoot for the child in fact.

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Of course not as the state is not a person

How totally shocking.

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Not really.

What a dreadful indictment upon the voters and governors of such States that would be.

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This is applicable to a lot of policy.

No true Christian .........

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What?

Shad said:

Of course not as the state is not a person

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We the people of the State.....................

oldbadger said:

We the people of the State.....................

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Which is not an entity with a single view point on much of anything. If you want to look at what people do look at charity or the lack of at the individual level.

Shad said:

Which is not an entity with a single view point on much of anything. If you want to look at what people do look at charity or the lack of at the individual level.

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That was so easy....!
That's exactly what we're doing........... looking at individuals being pushed around at the individual level by the votes of a bunch of self righteous hypocrites, who, once a child has been borne, seem to have no true pro-life responsibilities to it at all.

I agree with a fixed time being set for termination decisions, but any severe disability discovery or pregnancy caused by crime, such terminations should not be included, and pro-life means exactly that........ you need to pick up responsibility for the child through to adulthood if you are genuine.

And all contraception methods should be available, and FREE.

oldbadger said:

That was so easy....!
That's exactly what we're doing........... looking at individuals being pushed around at the individual level by the votes of a bunch of self righteous hypocrites, who, once a child has been borne, seem to have no true pro-life responsibilities to it at all.

I agree with a fixed time being set for termination decisions, but any severe disability discovery or pregnancy caused by crime, such terminations should not be included, and pro-life means exactly that........ you need to pick up responsibility for the child through to adulthood if you are genuine.

And all contraception methods should be available, and FREE.

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That's what makes it so easy. Tell a woman that she can't have an abortion and then she is on her own when she delivers. Next target: Birth control!

Subduction Zone said:

That's what makes it so easy. Tell a woman that she can't have an abortion and then she is on her own when she delivers. Next target: Birth control!

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I agree....
It's totally disgusting.
Most women (and men) that I know here (UK) are strong supporters of equality for all, but I can begin to understand why (esp) women in the USA are red hot about it.

Fundamental religious extremism is the wickedest interference in folks' lives, I think.

oldbadger said:

That was so easy....!
That's exactly what we're doing........... looking at individuals being pushed around at the individual level by the votes of a bunch of self righteous hypocrites, who, once a child has been borne, seem to have no true pro-life responsibilities to it at all.

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Some just support help via charity and low government aid over government dominance. Obviously I think a lot of politicians are self-serving anyways so say X, Y, Z for votes.

I agree with a fixed time being set for termination decisions, but any severe disability discovery or pregnancy caused by crime, such terminations should not be included, and pro-life means exactly that........ you need to pick up responsibility for the child through to adulthood if you are genuine.

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I can compromise when it comes to medical conditions. Maybe rape depending on the condition of the mother. Also the morning after pill.

Regarding the tab. To me it is situational depending on the parent(s) and their acts. I do not entertain the idea that keeping a child with a sub-par parent in such a situation is best for the child. For example I know a single mother that has done nothing but live on government doll and produce more children. She wouldn't have any of her children as she is incapable of making mildly intelligent choices. That is with abortion being legal and government funded here. She is actively making her children's life worse by her acts.

And all contraception methods should be available, and FREE.

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Disagree.

Shad said:

Some just support help via charity and low government aid over government dominance.

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I am always surprised at how many extreme Christians oppose paying fair taxes towards the support of disabled and poorer folks.
They always ring the Charity bell to show how kind they are, when they should be paying out to support the less well off. Such laws are all there in the laws of Moses, but when this is mentioned some Cjhristians even try to point out that Jesus redacted them all........... crazy, or bad?

I can compromise when it comes to medical conditions. Maybe rape depending on the condition of the mother. Also the morning after pill.

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Wot! ? And now you tell us that you are prepared to compromise....... about manipulating and controlling the lives of women?
If you have a wife, and she got raped and became pregnant, are you telling me that you would need to think about various conditions before 'compromising' over what she could choose to do?

You aren't one of those crazies who try to blame rape victims for being victims, are you?

I do not entertain the idea that keeping a child with a sub-par parent in such a situation is best for the child.

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What exactly is 'Sub-Par'?
Does this term refer to a disability?

For example I know a single mother that has done nothing but live on government doll and produce more children. She wouldn't have any of her children as she is incapable of making mildly intelligent choices. That is with abortion being legal and government funded here. She is actively making her children's life worse by her acts.

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So you know a woman who is disabled with a low IQ. Be very careful where you go from there with your ideas....... I think that they are almost bound to be dreadful.

You know a woman who draws a lot of government doll. I used to know a mass of very wealthy people who boasted about how they avoided and evaded paying lawful taxes during their whole lives, stuffing funds in to foreign tax havens, lying on tax return declarations, deceiving in order to evade paying capital gains taxes........ costing the government BILLIONS. Please do not moan about a disabled woman who needs professional care, support and benefits.


On the side:-
I have debated strongly with feminists on RF over many years, but I have to say that with mindsets such as those controlling some States in the US I can see why such feminists are so hot blooded as they are.