Zita
Solitary Eclectic Witch
well I give you a A
I didnt' say I don't make logical sense,I said it makes no logical sense cause you can't prove what God said in the bible,and I;m sticking to it no matter how many examples you gave, have a nice day
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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing
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I didnt' say I don't make logical sense,I said it makes no logical sense cause you can't prove what God said in the bible,and I;m sticking to it no matter how many examples you gave, have a nice day
Skwim
Veteran Member
Excuse me, but isn't the working presumption in reading the Bible that all it's directives come from god? That bestiality is a sin, not because some Hebrew scribe decide it should be and said so, but that it was said, or at least inspired, by god?
And other than LDS members, why should anyone care?
And you know this to be a fact because ________________________________________ .
How about all of those ignorant of what constitutes a sin, or are ignorant of god's instructions? Seem like very acceptable excuses to me. Why wouldn't they be acceptable to you?
That's nice, I guess, but hardly meaningful to those of us who don't buy god's list of sins.
What's false about them?
Obviously your sins are of a whole other color, because the "sins" of a lot of people are only avoided by denying themselves. And Zita didn't say we're defined by our sins, did he. So why bring it up?
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Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope, in such a situation the burden of proof is always upon the person making a positive claim. I can claim that I have a book written by God that refutes everything in the Bible. By your stance we would be at an impasse. In actuality I would have to prove my claim. Just as you need to provide evidence that your claim is right. Simply stating the obvious, that an outdated book of myths and superstition bans homosexuality, does not make that a fact. If you want to claim any authority to the Bible you would have to show that somehow.
Zita
Solitary Eclectic Witch
no we arent in the same boat because I don't live by it,you do
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
And people are completely within their rights to champion whatever causes (or no causes) that they wish and leave others alone. It would be a strange thing indeed if someone felt they could try and enforce that people take up certain causes before they take up others - all because the "enforcer" deems certain causes more important. That's not, at all, how the world works... and thank goodness for that.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
If you're going to get upset at people and hurl abuse, how about you do it for things people actually say?
Don't get ****ty at me for citing THE BIBLE and actual codified law when it doesn't say what you wish it said.
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MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Yes it is strange that one person by the name of Vice Ganda can influence the gay community in the Philippines.
I think it deals with his being vocal about it and being successful in the entertainment industry
I'm pretty much sure that British gays have someone gay to follow.
It is like being the leader of the pack - but for them it is a gay pack.
£ 1.00 = P 66.90 [Philippine Peso]
£ 1.00 = $ 1.27 [US]
£ 1.00 = ¥ 140.02 [Japanese Yen]
Which is worthless? None of them are worthless.
It is about purchasing power and cost of living.
I believe it is expensive to be in the UK than to be in the Philippines
Cost of living in the Philippines: Your guide
I believe, that the elderly abuse in the United Kingdom is very recent
I have heard that it happened in the past 3 years ago but it is still continuing.
Mona Cliffe Residential Home
Address: Blackstone Edge Old Rd, Littleborough OL15 0JW, United Kingdom
Published on May 7, 2019
That is why in the Philippines our parents when they grow old, we do not send them at the Home for the Aged.
They stay with us until they are no more.
Proverbs 23:22 New International Version (NIV)
Saying 17
Listen to your father, who gave you life,
and do not despise your mother when she is old.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
This is the reality of things in my part of the globe.
You live in a temperate climate, a place with 4 seasons
different from where I live - a tropical climate, with 2 well defined seasons - wet and dry
Taiwan recently allowed gay marriage.
Most of the world still is straight
Where Is It Illegal To Be Gay?
LGBT rights by country or territory - Wikipedia
Now, other countries are really strict on its prohibition of that whole homosexual sin thing:
Malaysia [which was a former British colony] cracks down of gay people and enforcing its Sharia law.
Australia has also recently legalised gay marriage. Which means that the majority of developed countries now do not discriminate. Is your argument that the weather makes a difference? I'd say that its the areas where religion and bigotry has lost its grip that have legalised homosexuality and gay marriage. The fact that most of the world does not allow gay marriage is in no way indicative of what is right. If most of the world jumped off a cliff....
There are a lot of former british territories. Unfortunately, when we withdrew from those territories we left their economies in ruins and they have been hampered developmentwise - look at africa and india. However, I don't see how thats relevant to whether or not being gay should be legal? That seems like another crack at western culture to be honest.
Whenever we have a conversation, we seem to get to this point where I struggle to hold a conversation with you because you start to get straight up offensive. Please, if you want to have this discussion, stop the implied attacks. It doesn't help you.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
I didn't mean to reference the ad hominem argument - I don't know what the deal with that is and I couldn't say if it was ad hominem or not. I'll stay out of that
Otherwise, the evidence you use is scripture which is entirely circular. The bible and scripture is not evidence for the claim, it is the claim.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
Yes it is strange that one person by the name of Vice Ganda can influence the gay community in the Philippines.
I think it deals with his being vocal about it and being successful in the entertainment industry
I'm pretty much sure that British gays have someone gay to follow.
It is like being the leader of the pack - but for them it is a gay pack.
£ 1.00 = P 66.90 [Philippine Peso]
£ 1.00 = $ 1.27 [US]
£ 1.00 = ¥ 140.02 [Japanese Yen]
Which is worthless? None of them are worthless.
It is about purchasing power and cost of living.
I believe it is expensive to be in the UK than to be in the Philippines
Cost of living in the Philippines: Your guide
I believe, that the elderly abuse in the United Kingdom is very recent
I have heard that it happened in the past 3 years ago but it is still continuing.
Mona Cliffe Residential Home
Address: Blackstone Edge Old Rd, Littleborough OL15 0JW, United Kingdom
Published on May 7, 2019
That is why in the Philippines our parents when they grow old, we do not send them at the Home for the Aged.
They stay with us until they are no more.
Proverbs 23:22 New International Version (NIV)
Saying 17
Listen to your father, who gave you life,
and do not despise your mother when she is old.
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Apologies, I think you misunderstood. I didnt mean worthless, I said worth less as in its worth is less than the pound.
Thats fine, there are gay icons here too but you've strayed from your point. You used that example because he said he didn't want to be married or have a sex change. Even if every gay person in the Philippines had him as their personal hero, that doesnt mean none of them want to get married. My hero is corey taylor, the lead singer of slipknot, who has been known to slam staplers into his head. I do not want to do that, but he's still an example to follow in terms of coming from a very difficult background and making something of himself.
Is your point that because he doesnt want a sex change or marriage, then all filipino gays don't either?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Sex change is expensive
Sex change is dangerous
Sex change is kinda traumatic
Let us listen from the boys....
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
Cancer treatment is expensive
Cancer treatment is dangerous
Cancer treatment is kinda traumatic
Religous legislation is expensive
Religious legislation is dangerous
Religious legislation is kinda traumatic
At the end of the day, a sex change is the medical treatment of a disorder which is fairly well understood called gender dysphoria. Can this be misdiagnosed? Sure. Can some people regret their change? Absolutely. Does this mean that its wrong to offer sex changes to those who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria? Absolutely not.
These people live in misery for their entire adult lives and the only way they can achieve some sense of normality is by chnaging their sex. Why do you think suicide rates are so high amongst the trans community? Its an exceptionally difficult and stressful thing to live through, and coupled with discrimination and outright hostility it can be too much to live through.
Its about time we made it easier for trans people. If not easier to get the surgery, then definitely easier when they have had it.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
I believe people deserve what they ask for.
Is there such thing as religious legislation?
Probably in UK since you have the Church of England there.
In the Philippines it is entirely the opposite
Gender reassignment capital of the world is Bangkok Thailand
This is where gay Filipinos have their peter turned into virginia
There is no law prohibiting them to transform into the opposite sex
However in another part of Asia, south of the Philippines - in Indonesia
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
I maybe should have said religiously motivated legislation, such as the prevention of gay marriage and gender reassignment.
If there's no law preventing gender reassignment in the Philippines and you're fine with people doing it, I really don't know why you've brought it up.
You've gone from saying being gay is wrong, to posting videos about your government officials encouraging gay people to come out. How does this support your position?
By the way, changing gender does not always mean you were gay to begin with. It has nothing to do with sexuality or who youre attracted to.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
*sucks air through teeth* that is a difficult one right there. I'm firmly pro-choice but there comes a point where you have a child inside you that can feel and think and even move to rhythm. At some point, it turns from abortion to literally killing an unborn baby.I don't know where the line is or if we can even be clear on the foetus/baby delineation. I think in the UK the limit 16 weeks, which rightly errs on the side of caution while still offering a choice to most women.
After all, late stage miscarriages are called stillbirths, not miscarriages.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Religion motivated legislation is a decadent past of the 1700's Philippines
No such thing occurs today
The Philippine president would not allow that
specially when he was molested by a priest in his teens.
Sure being gay is wrong
I won't be gay and do not aspire to be gay
Gay people are funny and
I respect people who want to be gay
But it is not my cup of tea
Filipinos are tolerant of gays that is why
the Philippines is the 10th gay friendly country in the world
I know homosexuality is wrong but if people want it -
Who am I to prevent them from being gay?
It is better for people to come out if they are gay
At least they are real and you know who is gay or not
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
While I disagree with your assessment of it being wrong, I'm glad you hold this view. I almost took issue with "gay people are funny," which is a blanket statement but I think I understand what you meant.
However, the fact that gay marriage is still illegal is a hangover of religious legislation - as is their stance on abortion law.
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BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Huh? What do you mean "enforce"? This nation of America is rife with abortion on demand, porn, drugs, infidelity, entropy and death.
If "enforce" means "speak about the issues and vote my conscience..." you are mistaken in your word definition.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
1) Show me where the Bible discusses partial birth abortion, it doesn't.
2) Don't goalpost shift to discuss a book that you say is a made-up book of myths to preach at me, until you are willing to be accountable for the horrors you promote, like partial birth abortion.
I apologize for saying "something is wrong with you". All of us have something wrong IMHO, sin. But your moral compass seems rather broken to me!