Jeremiah Ames
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It’s just another consequence of what happens when insane people elect insane people to run the nation.
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Where Is Our Humanity?
- Thread starter Ellen Brown
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It’s just another consequence of what happens when insane people elect insane people to run the nation.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
U.S. total obligations in aid to foreign countries in 2018 amounted to $28 billion dollars
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FAE: Trends
While the U.S. has people that cannot afford medical insurance, one in five cannot afford needed medicines (Though Trump is helping with that issue, President Trump bucks his own party again. This time, it's on importing drugs from Canada - CNNPolitics ) and the homelessness issue State of Homelessness - National Alliance to End Homelessness to name a few.
I am a Nationalist in the sense that I think it is far more important to take care of our own problems and our own citizens first and if we have any left over then we can start helping others but as it sits now, the immigrants can wait or stay home.
source:
FAE: Trends
While the U.S. has people that cannot afford medical insurance, one in five cannot afford needed medicines (Though Trump is helping with that issue, President Trump bucks his own party again. This time, it's on importing drugs from Canada - CNNPolitics ) and the homelessness issue State of Homelessness - National Alliance to End Homelessness to name a few.
I am a Nationalist in the sense that I think it is far more important to take care of our own problems and our own citizens first and if we have any left over then we can start helping others but as it sits now, the immigrants can wait or stay home.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
It is sad that we often participate in our own suffering. The Navajo people helped the government mine Uranium in their land, some even driving trucks for them. Now, much of the groundwater in 4 corners area is too radioactive and polluted to drink. They also mine coal in the same general area, and use it to generate electricity, most of which leaves the area to power the cities of the Anglos who originally came from Europe. There are huge health consequences from both processes.
While all this is true, there is something to acknowledge about the collective and where we are at as a culture with the current average level of consciousness we are operating from. That will always have an effect on each individual within that whole, as it creates the context or environment within which each individual interacts. It affects everyone both positively and negatively. So it is worth evaluating.
That average level can go up and down in societies, where we at one time hold the higher ideals of the Enlightenment, such as the founding fathers held and were operating out of as they drafting the Constitution coming from that higher level.
But then that level collectively can also descend down from that, into more tribal and warlord realities, ethnocentrism, racism, segregation, and the like, as can be seen the world over when democracies collapse into dictatorships (of which we are at present risk).
So I think her question in asking where is our humanity, is really asking where have we lost our soul to in this descent into tribalism?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
This is too much logic FH
I don't think we are ever far from tribalism nor does it take much to push people in that direction.
Lost our soul, it is part of who we are. Just under the surface, held in check in a effort to achieve common goals. Very hard to let go of the identity we associate ourselves with, political, gender, religious, race, culture.
When that identity get attacked, folks get defensive. Very hard to get people to drop their guard after that.
You basically have to go out of your way to prove you are no threat to them. Unfortunately there's those in every crowd when threatened feels it necessary to threaten back. Where is Jackie Robinson...
And that fact scares the hell out of me. It's almost like higher reason keeps that in check, and when it relaxes the undertow exerts itself again.
This fits with what I just said. I lean towards the view that if we have truly integrated higher reason and higher mind, that it's not possible to go backwards, save for some form of damage to our minds. That society as a whole, it's mean-average center of gravity can decline, indicates to be that it's not actually any form of actual integration. It falls because whatever was holding it up, lost its influence.
Very much so. People defend what they have a personal investment of their identities with. It's actually not the ideal itself people gravitate towards in finding self identification. It's the emotional factors: social relatability, common values, and such. It all operates at a far more basic level than intellectual leanings. "Do they accept me", will by and larger for the vast majorities, win out the day over rational ideas. People are very much influenced in what they choose to believe by how that will impact them socially.
I think the only way to communicate is to not judge what they've chosen to believe, but to try to relate to the fact that everyone chooses to believe in something that helps them for where they are at currently in their lives, seeking support from others. We all do it.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have never proposed that we should have open borders as I stated in a previous post and have repeatedly stated in some other posts on the subject.
Again, I have no problem with that. Where a large part of the trouble in this case resides is with the Trump camp, whereas they were warned that we would need more judges and lawyers to deal with increasing numbers of those seeking asylum, and yet Trump didn't do that because he stated that we "need to send a message". Now we literally have thousands of these refugees that have overwhelmed our system because of this "message". Also, they were told by the CBP that they would need more agents and better equipment, which the Trump camp virtually ignored.
Many of these people have arrived in not good shape, plus there have been some countries, especially Mexico, that have helped out. However, they too are being overwhelmed.
And what was Trump's reaction? To CUT aid to the Northern Triangle Countries, which only is adding to the problem. We do not have to go through the governments if they're corrupt as this can be handled through different channels, and that is happening, but it's simply not enough.
It very much is a "love" issue since the Gospel mandates doing our best to help those in need. That's "agape". That's what the Parable of the Sheep & Goats says we need to do. That's what the Sermon On the Mount says we need to do. It very much is "love".
Since when is putting children into cages a reflection of agape? Since when is intentionally separating children from the parents agape? Since when is having CBP agents remove water jugs in remote areas so some can die of thirst agape? Since when is "sending a message" more important than human life itself agape? How is that in any way Pro-Life?
This administration intentionally slow-walked their response to "send a message", as Trump himself has admitted, so how can we be "Pro-Life" while ignoring the plight of our fellow humans in need? We are not a poor country, but I am not in any way suggesting we do this alone. Countries like Mexico and Colombia are helping out with what's happening in the Northern Triangle Countries and Venezuela, and they are a heck of a lot poorer than we are.
It is indeed about love.
I didn't see it... my apologies
I agree
Unless one only hears one set of news, one would understand that this problem was during Obama's tenure.
Agreed...
I wonder how much of this is real. Mexico isn't really trying to help other than help them through their country to reach ours...
“It’s estimated that during the first three months of the year, more than 300,000 migrants have transited through Mexico to enter the United States illegally,” Sánchez Cordero said, reported radio station KJZZ. “There’s a change in the flow of migrants who are entering our country.”
That would be about 1,200,000 KNOWN people who enter illegally not to mention those who we don't know that entered illegally along with those who enter legally.... so we are talking millions a year
Sounds like there is agape (not that there isn't room for improvement such as not separating children from family (Obama and Trump)...
the question, IMV, is two-fold...
How do we make it legal entry and how do we help other countries to prosper so people stay in their country. That is what we do in Honduras... educate and empower to prosper their own country... the only real long-term solution.
Submitting this, hopefully, with agape coming through.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Accepted.
"Apples and oranges" as Obama had no choice because federal law prohibits putting children in jail with parents that are awaiting trial or a hearing, whereas Trump has been intentionally doing it as a matter of their policy to "send a message", as he has repeatedly stated, which is why there are literally thousands of these children that have been separated from their parents.
The reality is that Trump and the Pubs really don't want even the legals in here, largely for reasons that immigrants mostly vote for Democrats, and then there's the racist factor with Trump and some other Pubs and some Dems as well. This is why 22 states at last count, all with Pub majorities in their legislatures, have instigated voter suppression legislation, also many instilling heavy-handed gerrymandering, with the courts declaring many of them to be unconstitutional. The future demographics of this country work against the Pubs, and they well know that.
Always, my friend.
Shad
Veteran Member
Look up economic migrants
It doesn't work. The rhetoric is for Americans not non-Americans.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's obvious their priorities are not well vested in saving their Homeland.
It's such a hypocrisy when 'immigrations' uproot the indigenous, and then fight 'immigrations' themselves as the indigenous.
I still think Native Americans look at us and say, "Now you can have a taste of your own medicine".
Shad
Veteran Member
How many refugees have you sponsored?