ARCHEOLOGY and THE BIBLE

Subduction Zone · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
Here's another corroborating evidence to the historicity of the Bible.

Two governors of Jerusalem are mentioned in the Bible.

"And he brought all the priests out of the cities of Judah, and defiled the high places where the priests had burned incense, from Geba to Beersheba, and brake down the high places of the gates that were in the entering in of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which were on a man's left hand at the gate of the city." (2 Kings 23:7)

"Now in the eighteenth year of his reign, when he had purged the land, and the house, he sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, and Maaseiah the governor of the city, and Joah the son of Joahaz the recorder, to repair the house of the Lord his God." (2 Chronicles 34:8)

Governor of Jerusalem's seal impression from First Temple era found near Western Wall

The discovery supports the biblical rendering of the existence of a governor of the city in Jerusalem 2,700 years ago.”

Your cherry picking is worthless if you have no explanation for the failures of the Bible. And if you do not know what they are then your credibility is even lower.

Ellen Brown · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
That's the thing with the Bible. Crumbs here and there - but, they are cumulative!

Let's see if this is as unbiased as I hope it will be. I came from a Christian background that told huge whoppers about history. These days I look at the Abrahamic beliefs with a jaundiced eye. In the unlikely event that Scientists and Religious folk actually work together, it could be awesome.

tosca1 · May 20, 2019

QuestioningMind said:
Not sure what the significance of this post is. 2000 years from now archaeologists may very well be digging through ancient New York City. Just because they come across findings that relate to things that were mentioned about New York City in the comic series Spiderman wouldn't in any way shape or form indicate that all of the supernatural abilities attributed to Spiderman in the comics actually existed as well.

Surely, anyone who dug up Spiderman comics would eventually realize what Spiderman was to us! Lol.

tosca1 · May 20, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
Let's see if this is as unbiased as I hope it will be. I came from a Christian background that told huge whoppers about history. These days I look at the Abrahamic beliefs with a jaundiced eye. In the unlikely event that Scientists and Religious folk actually work together, it could be awesome.

Please check out the other thread, Science in The Bible. You might find it interesting, too.

Science In The Bible

Here's a little teaser for you, in case you've missed the posts about it. Straight from the National Academy of Sciences.

According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS):

"Science is a particular way of knowing about the world. In science, explanations are limited to those based on observations and experiments that can be substantiated by other scientists."

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The National Academy of Sciences also says:

"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us. Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience. Scientific knowledge may enrich aesthetic and moral perceptions, but these subjects extend beyond science's realm, which is to obtain a better understanding of the natural world."

"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

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Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."

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Subduction Zone · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
Surely, anyone who dug up Spiderman comics would eventually realize what Spiderman was to us! Lol.

Oh my!! The obvious irony! Meter just barely held that one.

shunyadragon · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
Are the "Gardens of Babylon" particularly mentioned in the Bible?
There are several verses that talk about Babylon but no mention of the garden.

I'm seriously asking....which verse?

I should have clarified. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon have been associated with the greatness of Babylon as described in the Bible in historical records in ancient times, but although they existed, but not in Babylon. All through history the story was considered accurate until recently, and Babylon was not as great as portrayed. It demonstrated that in historical works such as the Bible there are facts, because they are stories set in history, but not accurate history, as the stories of Daniel in the Bible.

QuestioningMind · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
Surely, anyone who dug up Spiderman comics would eventually realize what Spiderman was to us! Lol.

And it would certainly be foolish of them to assume that just because the comics referenced real places and events in New York City that it any in way gave credence to the fantastical claims made about Spiderman. In the EXACT same way it would be foolish to suggest that just because the bible at times references real places and events that it in any ways gives credence to any of the fantastical claims made about Jesus.

whirlingmerc · May 20, 2019

tosca1 said:
Interesting finds that relate to things written in the Bible have been discovered by archeology. And, they're still digging....and still discovering....

Here are some of the discoveries:

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...-bible-royal-seal-of-hezekiah-comes-to-light/

There is considerable archeology in favor of the Bible

Subduction Zone · May 20, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
There is considerable archeology in favor of the Bible

There is considerable archaeology (note spelling) in favor of Spiderman too. There is also massive evidence, and at times lack of evidence, that show parts of the Bible to be wrong too. One should not ignore one and give credence only to the other.

David T · May 20, 2019

Altfish said:
It isn't exactly revealing is it.
I think even the most ardent atheist will accept that Biblical stories are based on local events.
No one disputes that Crucifixion occurs
The Dead Sea Scrolls are a fantastic relic but prove nothing.
The Royal Seal, ok so King Hezekiah existed

I'm sorry but it is clutching at straws.

I think it reveals bias. We interpret experiences based on sub conscious assumptions.

Ellen Brown · May 20, 2019

One day, man will realize that binary thinking holds us in an unevolved state. So many see life as either, or, Black or White, when it is obvious to me that the 1/0 state is far too primitive. That's why I have always felt that compromise and blending ideas are the intelligent way.

oldbadger · May 21, 2019

tosca1 said:
Now, I'm not going to debate whether the red sea happened or not. Archeology has found nothing on that - so it's irrelevant in this thread.

Dump it then. No probs.

I understand about direct evidences.

I was simply explaining to you about circumstantial evidence and corroborating evidence.

Which you are not exactly right about, but, look, just carry on.....

Yes, the direct evidence of Pilate stone can only show that Pilate was the prefect of that region (as described in the Bible). HOWEVER, that is only one evidence for the historicity of the Bible regarding that one particular information (Pontius Pilate).

You need to rethink all this.
A lump of stone can only give dates if they are shown thereon.
And if you have any other Archaeological evidence for Pilate, please show it, otherwise you won't be bothering with it on this thread, I'm guessing.

As shown by archeology - there are many archeological finds that support the historicity of the Bible - and those are all corroborating evidences for the historicity of the Bible.

No... No....... any archaeological finds can only support individual stories, reports and incidents in the bible. They cannot prove THE WHOLE BIBLE, which is a compilation of lots of authors, some who wrote rubbish, others good accurate reports.

I think I'll leave your ideas about archaeology to you. Have a good thread.

sooda · May 21, 2019

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia
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The Nag Hammadi library is a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Thirteen leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local farmer named Muhammed al-Samman. The writings in these codices comprise 52 mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato's Republic. In his introduction to The Nag Hammadi Library

sooda · May 21, 2019

oldbadger said:
Dump it then. No probs.

Which you are not exactly right about, but, look, just carry on.....

You need to rethink all this.
A lump of stone can only give dates if they are shown thereon.
And if you have any other Archaeological evidence for Pilate, please show it, otherwise you won't be bothering with it on this thread, I'm guessing.

No... No....... any archaeological finds can only support individual stories, reports and incidents in the bible. They cannot prove THE WHOLE BIBLE, which is a compilation of lots of authors, some who wrote rubbish, others good accurate reports.

I think I'll leave your ideas about archaeology to you. Have a good thread.

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sooda · May 21, 2019

tosca1 said:
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Archeology has been giving us some evidences that support the historicity of the Bible. It's a very slow process, but rewarding.

What are some exciting discoveries in biblical archaeology?

Bible Archaeology is like creation science.

tosca1 · May 21, 2019

shunyadragon said:
I should have clarified. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon have been associated with the greatness of Babylon as described in the Bible in historical records in ancient times, but although they existed, but not in Babylon. All through history the story was considered accurate until recently,

That doesn't make any sense!
It was not the Bible who made any associations with the Hanging Gardens!

Therefore, it is irrational argument to pin the error of the Hanging Gardens on the Bible, when the Bible has said nothing about it.

and Babylon was not as great as portrayed. It demonstrated that in historical works such as the Bible there are facts, because they are stories set in history, but not accurate history, as the stories of Daniel in the Bible.

What exageration?
How do people talk in that culture (in that part of the world)?

Even today - some of them still talk in very "dramatic" way (for lack of better word).

I don't know where you get your info - but your source is wrong.
Herodotus is even believed to have never travelled to Babylon!

Furthermore......

The greatness of Babylon would be relative to the time, wouldn't it?
Don't take my word for it. Here, from National Geographic:

Beautiful Babylon: Jewel of the Ancient World

Ruled by Hammurabi, restored by Nebuchadrezzar, conquered by Cyrus—this city in the heart of Mesopotamia was both desired and despised, placing it at the center stage of the dawn of history.

Unlike the many towns that fell and disappeared, Babylon was resilient, rising from its own ashes time and again, even as new conquerors invaded and took over. The pleasure its occupiers enjoyed came at a price, however, since the highly desired Babylon would always be seen as a prize for the taking.

Babylon first rose to prominence in the late Bronze Age, around the beginning of the second millennium B.C., when it was occupied by people known as the Amorites. A series of strong Amorite kings—including King Hammurabi, famous for compiling the world’s first legal code—enabled Babylon to eclipse the Sumerian capital, Ur, as the region’s most powerful city. Although Babylon declined after Hammurabi’s death, its importance as the capital of southern Mesopotamia, now known as Babylonia, would linger for millennia.

The Greek historian Herodotus wrote about Babylon in the fifth century B.C. A number of inconsistencies in his account have led many scholars to believe that he never traveled there and that his text may be closer to hearsay than historical fact.

Popular tales of Babylon’s fantastic structures, like the Tower of Babel and the Hanging Gardens, may also be products of legends and confusion. Yet to historians and archaeologists, Babylon is a real bricks-and-mortar place at the center of the vibrant Mesopotamian culture that it dominated for so many centuries.

Beautiful Babylon: Jewel of the Ancient World

Read the title from National Geographic. Would you call that an exaggeration.....or, flair for words?

tosca1 · May 21, 2019

QuestioningMind said:
And it would certainly be foolish of them to assume that just because the comics referenced real places and events in New York City that it any in way gave credence to the fantastical claims made about Spiderman. In the EXACT same way it would be foolish to suggest that just because the bible at times references real places and events that it in any ways gives credence to any of the fantastical claims made about Jesus.

Nope. That's a poor comparison.

Of course it will be foolish of them - after all, Spiderman is admittedly a work of fiction. Comics fiction.

The Bible isn't under the category of fiction.
Go ahead - check it out in the library and see where it's located. Not in "fiction."

sooda · May 21, 2019

Hanging Gardens of Babylon - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_Gardens_of_Babylon

Overview

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon were one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World as listed by Hellenic culture, described as a remarkable feat of engineering with an ascending series of tiered gardens containing a wide variety of trees, shrubs, and vines, resembling a large green mountain constructed of mud bricks, and said to have been built in the ancient city of Babylon, near present-day Hillah, Babil province, in Iraq. Its name is derived from the Greek word kremastós (κρεμαστός, lit. "overhanging"), which has a broader meaning than the modern English word "hanging" and refers to trees being plante…

Assyrian king Sennacherib (reigned 704 – 681 BC) for his palace at Nineveh. Stephanie Dalleyposits that during the intervening centuries the two sites became confused, and the extensive gardens at Sennacherib's palace were attributed to Nebuchadnezzar II's Babylon. Archaeological excavations have found traces of a vast system of aqueducts attributed to Sennacherib by an inscription on its remains, which Dalley proposes were part of a 80-kilometre (50 mi) series of canals, dams, and aqueducts used to carry water to Ninev…

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Hanging Gardens of Babylon | History & Pictures

tosca1 · May 21, 2019

oldbadger said:
Dump it then.
No... No....... any archaeological finds can only support individual stories, reports and incidents in the bible. They cannot prove THE WHOLE BIBLE, which is a compilation of lots of authors, some who wrote rubbish, others good accurate reports.

I think I'll leave your ideas about archaeology to you. Have a good thread.

I'm not

sooda said:
Hanging Gardens of Babylon - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_Gardens_of_Babylon

Overview

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon were one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World as listed by Hellenic culture, described as a remarkable feat of engineering with an ascending series of tiered gardens containing a wide variety of trees, shrubs, and vines, resembling a large green mountain constructed of mud bricks, and said to have been built in the ancient city of Babylon, near present-day Hillah, Babil province, in Iraq. Its name is derived from the Greek word kremastós (κρεμαστός, lit. "overhanging"), which has a broader meaning than the modern English word "hanging" and refers to trees being plante…

Assyrian king Sennacherib (reigned 704 – 681 BC) for his palace at Nineveh. Stephanie Dalleyposits that during the intervening centuries the two sites became confused, and the extensive gardens at Sennacherib's palace were attributed to Nebuchadnezzar II's Babylon. Archaeological excavations have found traces of a vast system of aqueducts attributed to Sennacherib by an inscription on its remains, which Dalley proposes were part of a 80-kilometre (50 mi) series of canals, dams, and aqueducts used to carry water to Ninev…

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Hanging Gardens of Babylon | History & Pictures

<scratching head>

What's your point?

blü 2 · May 21, 2019

tosca1 said:
Interesting finds that relate to things written in the Bible have been discovered by archeology. And, they're still digging....and still discovering....

Your point being?

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