• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Is death the end of it all?

osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Dan Mellis said:
Its not that it doesnt matter, I just don't see a reason to believe that it exists. Thats fair enough though, it sounds like you have your beliefs and I can't consider the concept of a soul harmful in and of itself :)
Click to expand...

In and of itself i would not consider it harmful. I, myself, am not associated with any religion. I grew up with strong religious influences, but my own path is not governed by any of it.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
natasha levchenko said:
Many people wonder what happens when we die. There are many different ideas. What's your view point?
Click to expand...
People may think living again is impossible, but living the first time is even more amazing (the research and development stages as opposed to production). Living again is "simply" a matter of reproducing a previous state or arrangement -which would be made possible by the ability to record that state and interface with the environment in such a manner as to cause it to exist again.

From a biblical perspective, personalities are essentially stored -eventually to be given a much-improved and invulnerable "glorious" body -with similar power to that which allowed the Word who became Christ to create all things in the first place -and "according to the working thereof" allows him "to subdue all things unto himself.

We will then be given access to and power over the entire creation -not only the earth, but "the heavens" which were "formed not in vain", but "were formed to be inhabited"

We are beginning to realize that man cannot feasibly leave the earth and go elsewhere -at least not AS man.

It would not be outside the realm of possibility for man to self-evolve eventually so as to not be dependent on the current environment, but it would be a horribly messy process which would not benefit previous generations.

Fortunately, it was all considered beforehand.
 
Gandalf

Gandalf

Horn Tooter
Whatever God permits is simply fine enough with me. I in no way shape or form believe that God has set aside a destiny for man or that man is remotely important in his desires. He may be the originator of all things but to cast a special insignificant place as somehow important is beyond me when galaxies are so vast and immense it seems logical his satisfaction lays elsewhere. If God almighty is the Originator of Systems and Structures it seems silly to assert our own importance as if it is something so grandeur to watch bags of blood and bones kill each other and dispense with our own self slaughter.

The greatest sin is in the Bible and the god within that mythos makes it by saying man is made in the image of the divine. If this is the case this is the work of a trifling being unfit to claim such divine power as to not even know the grasp of it's own alleged creation. I take no part in the worship of such a being and lay my prayers elsewhere.

If God has an afterlife for us in another possible realm that is fine to me but I find no reason for the transmutation of consciousness and matter to another plane when the physical world is all we know and experience. Indeed I think there is more to it but the notion of spiritual realms is all to hokey for me to accept. The spiritual realms of all religions are far to anthropomorphized and centralize our self asserted and undeserved special value.
 
Last edited:
Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
osgart said:
In and of itself i would not consider it harmful. I, myself, am not associated with any religion. I grew up with strong religious influences, but my own path is not governed by any of it.
Click to expand...

If only there were more people who took that path! Nothing wrong at all with believing in amything you like, but organised religions have this nasty habit of getting in other peoples faces :(
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
viole said:
We go to where we were before being born.
In other words, a dead brain is like no brain at all. And since the “I” is just the result of brains operation, we will be no more, in the same way we were not......
Click to expand...

I find in Scripture that unfaithful and disloyal Adam went to where he was before being 'formed ' on Earth.
Mortal Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
No post-mortem penalty for Adam, No double jeopardy for Adam, just dust.
In death then it was as if Adam had No brain at all. Or, as Ecclesiastes 9:5 says the dead know nothing....
Adam become No more, in the same way Adam was not.
The only difference is that since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us.
This is where God enters into the earthly picture and sends pre-human Jesus to Earth for us.
By Jesus being a ' faithful Adam', so to speak, then Jesus is given the Resurrection Power - Revelation 1:18
Power to resurrect some to Heaven, but also the Power to resurrect the majority of the dead back to happy-and-healthy physical life right here on Earth at the time that is called the thousand-year reign of Christ over Earth.
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Gandalf said:
Whatever God permits is simply fine enough with me. I in no way shape or form believe that God has set aside a destiny for man or that man is remotely important in his desires. He may be the originator of all things but to cast a special insignificant place as somehow important is beyond me when galaxies are so vast and immense it seems logical his satisfaction lays elsewhere. If God almighty is the Originator of Systems and Structures it seems silly to assert our own importance as if it is something so grandeur to watch bags of blood and bones kill each other and dispense with our own self slaughter.
The greatest sin is in the Bible and the god within that mythos makes it by saying man is made in the image of the divine. If this is the case this is the work of a trifling being unfit to claim such divine power as to not even know the grasp of it's own alleged creation. I take no part in the worship of such a being and lay my prayers elsewhere.
If God has an afterlife for us in another possible realm that is fine to me but I find no reason for the transmutation of consciousness and matter to another plane when the physical world is all we know and experience. Indeed I think there is more to it but the notion of spiritual realms is all to hokey for me to accept. The spiritual realms of all religions are far to anthropomorphized and centralize our self asserted and undeserved special value.
Click to expand...

What I find as the greatest sin is sinning against God's spirit - Matthew 12:32.
By Scripture saying we are made in God's image is Not physical of course.
Rather, it is about God's main attributes, besides His power, such as: love, justice, wisdom and mercy.
So, to varying degrees we are capable of having and showing love, justice, mercy and wisdom.
I also find Not ' afterlife ' ( more alive after death then before death ) but I find: Resurrection.
Being brought back to life (Heaven for some) but most brought back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth.
The God of the Bible being the ' Originator of Systems and Structures ' first created the invisible angelic realm, then expanded His system and structure to include the visible material and physical realm of existence.
Thus, ' everlasting life ' on Earth was the original system and structure for human kind.
The coming return of ' everlasting life ' on Earth is promised at Revelation 22:2 when mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the ' healing ' of earth's nations, and death will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Dan Mellis said:
If only there were more people who took that path! Nothing wrong at all with believing in any thing you like, but organised religions have this nasty habit of getting in other peoples faces :(
Click to expand...
Interesting, but I find most religions are Not organized.
Rather, I find they are more life cafeteria style of 'picking and choosing' rather than following Jesus' instructions.
 
Uriel the Odinist

Uriel the Odinist

Totalitarianist
A lot of things happen. Most popular is Valhalla, where warriors go to fight in the battle of Ragnarok. But honest and good natured men also go with Freyja. Those who died of old age or a disease go to Hel
 
Gandalf

Gandalf

Horn Tooter
URAVIP2ME said:
What I find as the greatest sin is sinning against God's spirit - Matthew 12:32.
By Scripture saying we are made in God's image is Not physical of course.
Rather, it is about God's main attributes, besides His power, such as: love, justice, wisdom and mercy.
So, to varying degrees we are capable of having and showing love, justice, mercy and wisdom.
I also find Not ' afterlife ' ( more alive after death then before death ) but I find: Resurrection.
Being brought back to life (Heaven for some) but most brought back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth.
The God of the Bible being the ' Originator of Systems and Structures ' first created the invisible angelic realm, then expanded His system and structure to include the visible material and physical realm of existence.
Thus, ' everlasting life ' on Earth was the original system and structure for human kind.
The coming return of ' everlasting life ' on Earth is promised at Revelation 22:2 when mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the ' healing ' of earth's nations, and death will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Click to expand...

This is exactly what I am referring to, such traits are not befitting of a single almighty god. The qualities you have given this god are easily understood through means of the brain and on top of that they are limited to human experiences. You stated my refutation essentially.
 
Manh Nguyen

Manh Nguyen

New Member
natasha levchenko said:
Many people wonder what happens when we die. There are many different ideas. What's your view point?
Click to expand...
why are you worry what happens when we die ,how to prove their answer is correct ? Just look at the tree, if you take care it good you will get good result .If you don't you known the answer .Is it right? Karma
 
Gandalf

Gandalf

Horn Tooter
What God has destined for us seems to be something left to God not us as we are not even posessers of own flesh in my eyes. The whole world is recycled and structured as it was intended and if an afterlife was desperately needed for the souls of man I am sure we would be well informed.
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Gandalf said:
What God has destined for us seems to be something left to God not us as we are not even posessers of own flesh in my eyes. The whole world is recycled and structured as it was intended and if an afterlife was desperately needed for the souls of man I am sure we would be well informed.
Click to expand...

To me, well informed is Not the non-biblical teaching of 'afterlife' (meaning more alive after death then before death)
but a future resurrection.
Originally the whole world was structured and recycled until the 'time of man'.
Only man (humankind) was then offered the opportunity to have eternal life on Earth.
In other words, humans could live forever on a beautiful paradisical Earth if they do Not break God's Law.
Since we are innocent of what father Adam did is why God will send Jesus to govern over Earth for a thousand years to undo all the 'death damage' Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 22:2
 
U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The Reverend Bob said:
Our corpses decompose. There isn't any you after you die and some would say since consciousness is an illusion (Dan Dennett) that there is any you right now either.
Click to expand...

I find the dead are Not conscious of anything at all according to Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, there is No you after you die.
If it weren't for the teaching about the coming resurrection there would be No hope of ever being conscious again.
The resurrection hope means there can be a future you. - Revelation 1:18
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top