So did lynching black people.
Tom
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Pro-Life by most really mean Pro-Birth
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Terry Sampson
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You do realize, don't you? ... that volition, self-awareness, making decisions, acting on its own, and even knowing it is in a womb, are irrelevant. Animals have all that and have long been disposable throughout the U.S. The real question is: When does it have a soul?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
That is not proof of self-awareness or agency but only that of a nervous system developing. Flatworms react to touch and sound but I don't consider them persons.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
You're barking up the wrong tree here. I don't believe in such an entity as a soul
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
So when in your view does it become a life?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It's alive but I don't believe it is a person and that is not to say I don't believe that a human fetus isn't human, it is human but not a human person, it is not an individual yet
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Not a problem for me. Now, are you pro-choice or pro-life?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
So when does it become a individual? and what is the criteria for it to be a life?
Pro-Choice really means Pro-death
There is a tremendous difference in the two meanings. The difference is seen in the laws that are on the books. The politicians are getting closer to selling the parts of the baby after abortion--or are they already doing that?
Look closer at how these states allocate funds for those doctors in the abortion business and born into riches. It pretty much says it all.
The Natzis leaders in the time of WWII who behaved the same way as our Democratic politicians of today, also clocked their evil behaviour in righteousness.
Now... if that sounds like I'm crazy... then you got the message!
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Consider a one hour old fetus. That is just a bunch of cells.
A bunch of cells is not a baby. After one hour of conception you would not be able to differentiate that bunch from the bunch of cells of an amoeba.
Ciao
- viole
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The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I am pro-women have a right to body autonomy
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I never said a fetus isn't alive. It's alive unless it is not. It becomes an individual when it is out of its mother's womb and takes its first breath.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
So until the baby is out of the mothers womb, there is no individual? even the same baby has been in the mothers womb for 9 months? But there is or is not a lifeform ??
Gandalf
Horn Tooter
What so many fail to see is that we shouldn't rely on policy makers to provide form the poor. I volunteer and feed the poor with no hair of my own and this is when I was poor. So few people wanna walk on the streets yet they think somehow politicians will.
We always want uncle Sam to gimme money but never do we contribute. Taxes go to nothing and we look at Democrats having heroin needles provided to the poor and take pride in ourselves
We always want uncle Sam to gimme money but never do we contribute. Taxes go to nothing and we look at Democrats having heroin needles provided to the poor and take pride in ourselves
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I never said a fetus isn't a lifeform. How many times do I have to repeat that? And yes when the offspring is out of her mother's womb and she takes her first breath she is an individual.
Hej
Well, there is a big difference between a one hour old fetus and a nine months old fetus.
Do you agree that aborting a one hour old fetus is less of a problem?
And what about the day after pill, where you do not even know if you are disposing some duplicating human cells or not?
Ciao
- viole
Justice Scalia agreed. 'the Constitution does not speak to abortion." And if Roe v Wade were challenged he would not have voted to overturn it for the same reason. He believed the issue should be voted on in a democracy and felt that it was an issue for the states to decide.
Audie
Veteran Member
Would you be satisfied that its ok to have
killed you the day before you were born, coz
you were not a person?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
No All form of abortion is in my understanding against the law of dhamma. I do not judge those woman who do chose to take abortion, because they can have their reasons. But as a buddhist i would say it is not a moral rightroues thing to do. But again, i can not say what other should say or mean.
Audie
Veteran Member
Definitions include that a person can be dead
and come back to life, and, you know, that thing about
corporations as persons.
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