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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
1. I think it is justified. I am against domestic violence. It is ugly. I think the Brits had problems with that too.

"In the year ending March 2016, 1.2 million women reported experiences of domestic abuse in England and Wales. Office for National Statistics (2016) Domestic Abuse in England and Wales: year ending March 2016. Whilst this number is shocking, we also know it is grossly underestimated."
The facts - Refuge Charity - Domestic Violence Help

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2. The Philippines is ok without divorce and gay marriages. The two things are Western concepts, not Filipino. Having gender reassignment has its risks, it really depends on public perception which is beyond anyone's control. There are gay entertainers in the Philippines are top earners. It just happened that Charice Pempengco aka Jake Zyrus did not turn out well. When people saw her as that sweet girl named Charice who can sing and now a tattooed man named Jake - is a traumatic thing for a conservative society to accept.


3. More than half are in favor of divorce because in marriage, familiarity breeds contempt. It is an ironic thing, when people are young, they are idealistic and very much in-love but as time passes, the wrinkles appear and the silver hair begins to show, people become realistic and love withers away. It is a fact of life and people want a way out. However, 53% in favor of divorce isn't enough - Filipinos have closely knit family ties. We don't want a family member separate from us. Unlike in Western countries, when you hit the senior years, it is off to the home for the aged for you.

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4. We love babies and we hate baby killers.
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5. In Philippine jail - there is a hierarchy of prisoners. The top honcho is the "mayor", the is the Alpha Dog. As the Alpha Dog, he preys on the newbie prisoners and he will effing everyone in his cell. Would that be enjoyable? That is male rape.

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Why is Facebook like jail?
You have a profile picture, you sit around all day writing on walls, and you get poked by guys you really don't know.

1: go back and read my comment. Of course I have a problem with domestic abuse - but by focussing on women we forget the abuse inflicted on males. Both should be equal priority. Or are men just expected to deal with it, beig the big strong macho men they are?

2: are they? What about gay people and people who hate thier spouses? Sex change does come with risk but that is up to the person having that procedure to weigh up. Removing a tumor has risks too. "Traumatic for a conservative society?" Please. Your society needs to get its priorities straight if that is traumatic.

3: In the west, we dont just ship our old people off. If they cant look after themselves, they can go into assisted living which could mean having a nurse check in every day or week to make sure theyre ok, or full time care in a home. It about preserving dignity - if my mother got alzheimers I'd want to make sure sje could retain as much independence as possible while being looked after by professionals. I wouldn't reduce the amount of time I spend with her. She'd just get looked after properly.

4: yeah, you said. Fancy responding to my answer?

5: Rape is wrong, no doubt about it. Isnt it funny how we dont have that problem in our prisons? Could it be that your prisons are in need of a reform? Or is it fine to allow rape to happen to someone who is already being punished by the state. Why not remove prison and just allow rape for all criminals in their own home? Have another look at your moral compass if you think the fact your criminals are treated brutally is something to boast about.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
What reason would I have to consider you a credible spokesman for the ineffable, unknowable, supernatural, Creator of Reality?

I'm asking, because I don't see any reason to think that you are so exalted.

I think that you are creating a God in your own image, One who agrees with you about what you consider important.

I consider that hubris. Which is very common amongst religionists, but nevertheless, totally egotistical pridefulness.

Arrogance.

Tom
First off, God is not ineffable, unknowable or supernatural.

He is a real person with parts and passions and He operates according to established spiritual, natural and universal Laws.

Second, coming to know Him, or more about Him, does not "exalt" anyone.

We all sin and come short of the glory of God.

Third, the scriptures claim that it was God who created us in His image, so I have more than my own personal bias to support that idea (unlike you).

So...other than your baseless ad hominem attack against me...you offer...what?

Not even a single comment about the content of my post.

God made Adam and Eve, sealed them together as husband and wife and then commanded them to multiply because doing those things fulfills their purpose in this life and progresses them throuhg eternity.

Anything less will result in exactly that.

Less.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
First off, God is not ineffable, unknowable or supernatural.

He is a real person with parts and passions and He operates according to established spiritual, natural and universal Laws.

Second, coming to know Him, or more about Him, does not "exalt" anyone.

We all sin and come short of the glory of God.

Third, the scriptures claim that it was God who created us in His image, so I have more than my own personal bias to support that idea (unlike you).

So...other than your baseless ad hominem attack against me...you offer...what?

Not even a single comment about the content of my post.

God made Adam and Eve, sealed them together as husband and wife and then commanded them to multiply because doing those things fulfills their purpose in this life and progresses them throuhg eternity.

Anything less will result in exactly that.

Less.

A lot of claims here. Going to back them up?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The more I read your posts, the more I wonder if you are reading the same Bible the rest of world is reading? Do you study for yourself or go to a school to study? I'm just trying to figure what the problem is.

The Bible is the Bible....I just don't buy into Christendom's version of events, (I was raised with them) nor do I swallow their phoney doctrines. I let the Bible speak for itself. It's a completely different story.

Nope. I don't have the slightest clue or know about the bible at all, cause I don't feel it's truly the Word of God I feel ts a fictional novel, full of dogma, I looked up what I typed, personally I could care less what it says, just like I feel you can't accurately prove none of what you just said, I don't buy none of it,I'm so glad for you that you know that book,Do you want a cookie? Hell, I just like to debate! and get religious people and people who swear by the bible all revved up:laughing: and by the way "My Creator" is not some sap but he is sentimental,forgiving,caring,loving and lifts me up when I do cry crocodile tears,and I can communicate with him directly, I don't have to go through Jesus like the "bible" tells it. So glad I'm not programed by words in a book to tell me how I should live and think and act!! My Creator has already equipped me with all that knowledge and guidance,and common sense ,when he Created me, so I can live here on earth blessed,happy,peaceful,successful and abundantly. And I'm so glad about it. Well, you take care now.

All the best for your future....I hope you and your god will be very happy. :D
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Your belief that you are a qualified spokesman for God.
Start with that.

Explain why I should believe it.
Tom
That post wasn't directed at you.

You already know that God has repeatedly condemned homosexuality.

At this point your issue is not with me, but with Him.

You just don't want to give up your sins, so you do everything you can to muddy the crystal clear waters.

You are basically doing the exact same thing you accused me of doing. Hubris and all.

Also, I think that the Biblical equivalent of your demand would be, "Show unto me a sign from heaven."

To which I believe the Savior's response is most appropriate, "A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign"

There is nothing I could do that would prove to you that I am qualified to do or say anything.

You should believe it because you already know it's true.
 
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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
1: go back and read my comment. Of course I have a problem with domestic abuse - but by focussing on women we forget the abuse inflicted on males. Both should be equal priority. Or are men just expected to deal with it, beig the big strong macho men they are?

Most Caucasian and Black women are huge that you don't need laws like we have. Filipina women are usually petite.
Further, in Filipino culture - we give high regard for women, not because they are the weaker sex but because women are our mothers, our sisters, our wives and so on.

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Here are some worldwide trends in height for women aged 18–40 from the website World Data:
  • The average height of European women is 5 feet 6 inches.
  • In many parts of Asia, including China, the average woman's height is about 5 feet.
  • The average height for women in North America is slightly below the average for women in the U.S. Average heights for women in the U.S. and Canada are the same, while the same average in Mexico is just below 5 feet 2 inches.
  • According to the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation), the shortest average heights for women are recorded in South Asia and Guatemala, at under 5 feet.
Average height for women worldwide
Human body weight - Wikipedia

2: are they? What about gay people and people who hate thier spouses? Sex change does come with risk but that is up to the person having that procedure to weigh up. Removing a tumor has risks too. "Traumatic for a conservative society?" Please. Your society needs to get its priorities straight if that is traumatic.

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I would take a cue from the foremost gay man in Philippine entertainment - Vice Ganda
Jose Marie Borja Viceral (born March 31, 1976),[1] known professionally as Vice Ganda (lit. "Beautiful Vice"), is a Filipino comedian, television presenter, actor, and singer. He is a regular host-judge on ABS-CBN's noontime variety show It's Showtime, and has starred in several films, eight[3] of which are considered to be the highest-grossing in Philippine cinema.[4][5] Viceral is best known for his stand-up routines, in which he uses observational comedy, situational irony and sarcasm in pertaining to Filipino culture and human sexuality. He is also the first openly gay endorser for Globe Telecom.[6][7]

Would you consider having a sex change?
I respect anyone who wants or has undergone surgery, but it’s not for me. Sayang naman ’yung equipment [ko]. I like playing with my toy! Why should I deprive myself?

Same-sex marriage?
I don’t see myself getting married even if that becomes legal.

Read more: https://entertainment.inquirer.net/93563/vice-ganda-no-to-sex-change-same-sex-marriage#ixzz5oPrLw5Mn

3: In the west, we dont just ship our old people off. If they cant look after themselves, they can go into assisted living which could mean having a nurse check in every day or week to make sure theyre ok, or full time care in a home. It about preserving dignity - if my mother got alzheimers I'd want to make sure sje could retain as much independence as possible while being looked after by professionals. I wouldn't reduce the amount of time I spend with her. She'd just get looked after properly.

I knew of a Scot who migrated in the Philippines when he was 70 years old
He couldn't bear the cold in Scotland and he was living in a monthly pension £ 1,000 which is meager
When he came here he was enjoying the sun and living richly because of the high conversion rate
of the British pound against the Philippine peso
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If he stayed in Scotland maybe he would have died earlier



4: yeah, you said. Fancy responding to my answer?

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We hate abortions. Some Filipina women do subscribe to abortions because of economic reasons but generally we hate abortions. It is like a seed planted, you don't dig up the soil and kill the seed. You let it grow - it is God's gift. Every life deserves to have a chance. Abortion is murder.

5: Rape is wrong, no doubt about it. Isnt it funny how we dont have that problem in our prisons? Could it be that your prisons are in need of a reform? Or is it fine to allow rape to happen to someone who is already being punished by the state. Why not remove prison and just allow rape for all criminals in their own home? Have another look at your moral compass if you think the fact your criminals are treated brutally is something to boast about.

Some Philippine prisons are better than others
But I don't see the government building nice prisons
Because if prisons are nice, people would commit crime often
Next it would be better to have the tax money spent on the poor than the criminals
 
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Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Most Caucasian and Black women are huge that you don't need laws like we have. Filipina women are usually petite.
Further, in Filipino culture - we give high regard for women, not because they are the weaker sex but because women are our mothers, our sisters, our wives and so on.

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Here are some worldwide trends in height for women aged 18–40 from the website World Data:
  • The average height of European women is 5 feet 6 inches.
  • In many parts of Asia, including China, the average woman's height is about 5 feet.
  • The average height for women in North America is slightly below the average for women in the U.S. Average heights for women in the U.S. and Canada are the same, while the same average in Mexico is just below 5 feet 2 inches.
  • According to the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation), the shortest average heights for women are recorded in South Asia and Guatemala, at under 5 feet.
Average height for women worldwide
Human body weight - Wikipedia



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I would take a cue from the foremost gay man in Philippine entertainment - Vice Ganda
Jose Marie Borja Viceral (born March 31, 1976),[1] known professionally as Vice Ganda (lit. "Beautiful Vice"), is a Filipino comedian, television presenter, actor, and singer. He is a regular host-judge on ABS-CBN's noontime variety show It's Showtime, and has starred in several films, eight[3] of which are considered to be the highest-grossing in Philippine cinema.[4][5] Viceral is best known for his stand-up routines, in which he uses observational comedy, situational irony and sarcasm in pertaining to Filipino culture and human sexuality. He is also the first openly gay endorser for Globe Telecom.[6][7]

Would you consider having a sex change?
I respect anyone who wants or has undergone surgery, but it’s not for me. Sayang naman ’yung equipment [ko]. I like playing with my toy! Why should I deprive myself?

Same-sex marriage?
I don’t see myself getting married even if that becomes legal.

Read more: https://entertainment.inquirer.net/93563/vice-ganda-no-to-sex-change-same-sex-marriage#ixzz5oPrLw5Mn



I knew of a Scot who migrated in the Philippines when he was 70 years old
He couldn't bear the cold in Scotland and he was living in a monthly pension £ 1,000 which is meager
When he came here he was enjoying the sun and living richly because of the high conversion rate
of the British pound against the Philippine peso
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If he stayed in Scotland maybe he would have died earlier





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We hate abortions. Some Filipina women do subscribe to abortions because of economic reasons but generally we hate abortions. It is like a seed planted, you don't dig up the soil and kill the seed. You let it grow - it is God's gift. Every life deserves to have a chance. Abortion is murder.



Some Philippine prisons are better than others
But I don't see the government building nice prisons
Because if prisons are nice, people would commit crime often
Next it would be better to have the tax money spent on the poor than the criminals

Seriously? Most caucasian and black women are huge? Why not accompany it with an unflattering picture? Oh wait. Another comment like that and not only will this conversation end, I'll report your racism. But to address your point, the worst case of domestic abuse I've seen in this country recently aired on a documentary. It was a petite, young girl who stabbed and attacked her boyfriend repeatedly. She wouldnt let him wash and starved him. Half of domestic abuse is psychological and size doesn't matter.

Oh, I didnt realise one gay person wouldnt have a sex change or get married. That must apply to all of them. Lets just ignore all of the straight people who wouldn't get married and all of the people who jad sex changes but prefered relationships with the sex they were changing to. At this point, you're showing your ignorance on the matter.

So, because your money is worth less, you're better off? What about your pensioners, hows their pension? Funnily enough, we dont have a lot of filipinos retiring in the UK. Not that that would be a problem, but your example doesn't show anything other than our pensioners are richer than yours. Elder abuse in homes has been an issue but to be honest, its old news now. Things have changed, but lets not get into who's got a better country for old people because I'll start quoting your crime statistics.

Are you going to make a point about abortion other than you dont like it? At the stage of development you've shown, a human foetus is much the same as a sharks. In fact, if you saw them side by side you probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference. I don't think abortion should be a form of birth control, but I don't think anyone should be forced to bear the mental and physical trauma that characterises childbirth to get a baby they didn't want. Also, the gods gift argument doesnt work for atheists, but what about a woman who was gang raped by her brothers? Would you see that pregnancy as being 'gods gift?' If so, your god is a 1st class psychopath.

Its not about building nice prisons, but prisoners are the wards of the state so there's a duty of care to at least make sure people are safe and fed in there. Past that, I don't much care how theyre treated, although reformation seems to work much better than punishment.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Seriously? Most caucasian and black women are huge? Why not accompany it with an unflattering picture? Oh wait. Another comment like that and not only will this conversation end, I'll report your racism. But to address your point, the worst case of domestic abuse I've seen in this country recently aired on a documentary. It was a petite, young girl who stabbed and attacked her boyfriend repeatedly. She wouldnt let him wash and starved him. Half of domestic abuse is psychological and size doesn't matter.

Oh, I didnt realise one gay person wouldnt have a sex change or get married. That must apply to all of them. Lets just ignore all of the straight people who wouldn't get married and all of the people who jad sex changes but prefered relationships with the sex they were changing to. At this point, you're showing your ignorance on the matter.

So, because your money is worth less, you're better off? What about your pensioners, hows their pension? Funnily enough, we dont have a lot of filipinos retiring in the UK. Not that that would be a problem, but your example doesn't show anything other than our pensioners are richer than yours. Elder abuse in homes has been an issue but to be honest, its old news now. Things have changed, but lets not get into who's got a better country for old people because I'll start quoting your crime statistics.

Are you going to make a point about abortion other than you dont like it? At the stage of development you've shown, a human foetus is much the same as a sharks. In fact, if you saw them side by side you probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference. I don't think abortion should be a form of birth control, but I don't think anyone should be forced to bear the mental and physical trauma that characterises childbirth to get a baby they didn't want. Also, the gods gift argument doesnt work for atheists, but what about a woman who was gang raped by her brothers? Would you see that pregnancy as being 'gods gift?' If so, your god is a 1st class psychopath.

Its not about building nice prisons, but prisoners are the wards of the state so there's a duty of care to at least make sure people are safe and fed in there. Past that, I don't much care how theyre treated, although reformation seems to work much better than punishment.

This is the reality of things in my part of the globe.
You live in a temperate climate, a place with 4 seasons
different from where I live - a tropical climate, with 2 well defined seasons - wet and dry

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Taiwan recently allowed gay marriage.
Most of the world still is straight

Where Is It Illegal To Be Gay?
LGBT rights by country or territory - Wikipedia


Now, other countries are really strict on its prohibition of that whole homosexual sin thing:
Malaysia [which was a former British colony] cracks down of gay people and enforcing its Sharia law.

 

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
This is the reality of things in my part of the globe.
You live in a temperate climate, a place with 4 seasons
different from where I live - a tropical climate, with 2 well defined seasons - wet and dry

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Taiwan recently allowed gay marriage.
Most of the world still is straight

Where Is It Illegal To Be Gay?
LGBT rights by country or territory - Wikipedia


Now, other countries are really strict on its prohibition of that whole homosexual sin thing:
Malaysia [which was a former British colony] cracks down of gay people and enforcing its Sharia law.

If you’re not trolling, as a tip, stop splattering pictures and videos all over your posts. When prompted, give your sources. I don’t know why anyone would put effort into reading your posts if you’re going to haphazardly and randomly regurgitate media.

Use words: they’re more effective in an intellectual discussion.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
If you’re not trolling, as a tip, stop splattering pictures and videos all over your posts. When prompted, give your sources. I don’t know why anyone would put effort into reading your posts if you’re going to haphazardly and randomly regurgitate media.

Use words: they’re more effective in an intellectual discussion.

As our skin and features are different, so is how we post.
To each his own.

I based my post on what is real and perceived in the world
not on my personal guesses and opinions

And I believe those are more concrete and hard to topple
But if there is something to apologize for....

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charlie sc

Well-Known Member
As our skin and features are different, so is how we post.
To each his own.

I based my post on what is real and perceived in the world
not on my personal guesses and opinions

And I believe those are more concrete and hard to topple
But if there is something to apologize for....

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No, your skin colour, gender and anything inherent is under no way analogous to how you write to people. It’s a fail analogy. One is by choice the other is not. You may think your posts have some substance to them, but in reality they don’t. They’re comparable to Facebook posts with very little thought, substance or value.

You may ignore my advice but doing that won’t change the way other people perceive your rebuttals. And I mean rebuttals in the most kind interpretation of what they appear to be.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
No, your skin colour, gender and anything inherent is under no way analogous to how you write to people. It’s a fail analogy. One is by choice the other is not. You may think your posts have some substance to them, but in reality they don’t. They’re comparable to Facebook posts with very little thought, substance or value.

You may ignore my advice but doing that won’t change the way other people perceive your rebuttals. And I mean rebuttals in the most kind interpretation of what they appear to be.

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I'm just putting you on.
Don't be serious unless you feel you are gravitating to my beliefs.
The topic is "That whole homosexual sin thing"
Please do some re-BUTTal if I am in error and I would acknowledge my mistake
It is advisable not to deviate from it.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Where to start? Pretty much all of it was just a claim so why not from the top?
OK.

"First off, God is not ineffable, unknowable or supernatural.

He is a real person with parts and passions and He operates according to established spiritual, natural and universal Laws."

Various books of scripture contain written accounts of human beings interacting with and coming to know God.

They also describe God's attributes, character, authority, motivation and adherence to eternal Laws.

"Second, coming to know Him, or more about Him, does not "exalt" anyone.

We all sin and come short of the glory of God."

The scriptures explain that all mortals are imperfect and that even those who come to know God still fall short and can continue to displease Him.

"Third, the scriptures claim that it was God who created us in His image, so I have more than my own personal bias to support that idea (unlike you)."

This is self-explanatory.

"So...other than your baseless ad hominem attack against me...you offer...what?

Not even a single comment about the content of my post."

If you read his post to me you would see that it was just a personal attack that ignored what I had said originally.

"God made Adam and Eve, sealed them together as husband and wife and then commanded them to multiply because doing those things fulfills their purpose in this life and progresses them through eternity."

Again, this account is contained in the scriptures.

"Anything less will result in exactly that.

Less."

Logically, anything less than what God has commanded will result in less positive results.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Here's something even more relevant.

Homophobia causes abortion and single parenthood.

Gay guys (I don't pretend to speak for females) who desperately want to be normal know that getting a girl pregnant will "prove" that they don't deserve the kind of derision and oppression that homophobes will dish out. So they do it.

I did it.

Thanks @BilliardsBall . People like you are why I got a girl pregnant when I was 20 and she was 19. Because I desperately wanted to be normal, instead of a hell bound f*gg*t.
Tom

Thank you for your honesty and vulnerability.

However--I see the link to single parenthood, but not abortion. Were I to create a pregnancy out of wedlock I would offer marriage (I understand why you would not), but I would then offer parental support, not an abortion.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
At conception.

Why don't "prolifer" Christians support efforts to prevent both abortions and badly raised children? Like age appropriate sex ed and access to effective birth control?

Tell me that.
Tom

A basic tenet of born again morality:

* Don't make murder legal because "people murder" anyway, likewise
* Don't make heroin legal because "anyway"
* Don't handout birth control because "sex anyway" or "kids can handle sex anyway," when they can't
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
So you're saying one of us feels that homosexuals enjoying sex causes babies to die? 'Cause if that is not what you're saying then you are making absolutely no sense.

What I said was that homosexual individuals suffering indignation and discrimination from backward-thinking cretins who think their God has told them "how it should be" is a completely separate issue from abortion, and one doesn't need to "first" discuss abortion and what they feel about that issue to begin discussing the issue of homosexual derogation.

What is so hard to understand about that? Do you finally understand? Do you really want me to go into what I think about abortion each and every time I go to discuss the issues as I see them surrounding homosexuality? Is that what this is about? Or do you think we should just put up with homosexuals being mistreated and slandered until abortion is no longer legal? Is that what you're saying? Please... enlighten me. What the hell is it you want to happen here? Obviously you're the more intelligent between us. Go on... what have you got for me? Actual answers to my questions? I doubt it. That's not something I have witnessed people who I believe think like you do produce very often at all. It's kind of a running joke, honestly. Can't answer a simple question to save their lives most of the time. So go on. What is all this about? I am intensely curious to read your reply.

Discrimination against homosexuals is a separate issue than abortion (in most cases). You are correct.

I find a double standard where people crow about rights for homosexuals (or heterosexuals or asexuals), which includes the right to sexual expression, without crowing about the right for humans created via sex or fertility procedures to LIVE.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
1: good for you. Being a father, I entirely agree that having a family is the best thing that can happen to some people (maybe even most). I don't agree with the parasite analogy; we don't grow our own parasites. However, the word baby still doesnt actually describe the mass of unthinking, unfeelings that would be terminated. To be clear, I do not agree with termination past 16 or so weeks. You usually have plenty of time to decide in that time and the ethics just get too muddy after that point(ish, it isnt an exact science).

2: Again, genital pleasure doesnt accurately describe the situation. Sexuality plays a massive, defining part of people's personality. It is also unchangeable - despite crackpot religious attempts to comvert homosexuals. In fact, these attempts are psychologically harmful to some people.

3: Yes, but then my beliefs dont restrict anyone elses unless that belief is unjustifiably restrictive or harmful. I'm not assaulting anyone - to suggest that is slanderous. At no point have I assaulted you or any other religious person. I don't suggest you're going to be eternally tortured, or that you're evil for that part of your personality. The only restriction I would ever suggest is on the actions that would harm or discriminate against another person. Or those beliefs that would send a woman to prison for longer than her rapist for aborting the foetus that resulted from her assault.

Don't even try to get on your high horse, because you don't have a leg to stand on.

I sure do have a leg to stand on, since you are AGAIN saying "You are the problem talking about Hell/abortion/homosexuality!" while you talk about the same issues using a double standard--that you have the right to opine on these but I shouldn't have the same right.
 
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