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Why Prostitution Should be Legal

Watchmen

Watchmen

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There’s no pleasing you. You've made up your mind. You’re out for not even trying.
 
PureX

PureX

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Subduction Zone said:
Some see it that way. Others have gotten over the unreasonable taboos inflicted on them by society.
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Most see it that way in every culture in the world. And the reason they see it that way is because they understand that it's wrong to treat the human body like a commodity.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Watchmen said:
Apparently you didn’t actually read the article or its sources (embedded links within). The sources are data driven.
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They were not data driven, that was the problem. They could not even come up with a constant definition of "trafficking".

And that is a huge problem with all of these studies. I have seen studies where they assume that anyone that works in a business was trafficked. For example there are countless massage spas in the U.S. that are houses of prostitution. They are all assumed to be trafficked, as in the Kraft case. But quite often when busted that is found not to be the case. This is a case of our prosecutors assuming that because that sort of work is something very few in our culture would willingly do that it is work that no one would willingly do.

It makes for good headlines when those busts are made, but the claims of "trafficking" very rarely pan out.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Watchmen said:
There’s no pleasing you. You've made up your mind. You’re out for not even trying.
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No, I seriously looked and found that so called studies are not properly done. The first thing one needs to do to have meaningful data is to define one's terms properly. You will find that they can't even do that. If terms do not have constant meaningful definitions a data driven study cannot be done.
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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you have to wonder, what in it for them, when people so vocally call for legalization!!
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

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joe1776 said:
Whether they're on a par or not is not relevant. Individual rights should be denied a citizen only when they somehow conflict with the interests of the group. If a woman wants to charge for sex, it's none of the group's business. Members of the group who would criminalize her act, should mind their own business.
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Aaaand... still missing the point.

I really couldn't care less what you think about this. All I'm telling you people is that I cannot and will not consider legalization of prostitution while women's rights are under assault in my country. For reasons that I would think are common sense, but, sadly, are not.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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PureX said:
It's an emotional problem. If people saw sexual intercourse for pay differently the solution would be different. But they don't. They see it as a form of personal subjugation and abuse because it is physically invasive and it is not voluntary. It is coerced. And that degrades and dehumanizes everyone involved. The only possible argument for legalizing it would be for the sake of individual freedom of choice. But the fact that consent has to be coerced pretty much eliminates that justification. So now all you have left as your argument is your own indifference. You claim there are no victims because no one is "innocent", and the damage is invisible and minimal (to you). But a pedophile claims the same thing to justify having coerced sex with a child.

All you really have to stand on is that you don't think people are victimized by participating in prostitution. But try getting a job with that on your resume. Try renting an apartment. Try finding a spouse or raising a child. When was the last time you dated a prostitute? The damage from participating in prostitution is deep and far-reaching. And that's just the prostitute. Lets consider the 'Johns'. The psychological issues of having to pay people to pretend to be intimate with you, and with thinking their bodies and their sincerity are a commodity that you can take away from them for a price.
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A few thoughts come to mind while reading this and other posts on this thread.

One thing is that there is an oversexualization in society overall - not just with prostitution, but even with legal activities - such as one-night stands, going to singles bars (often referred to as "meat markets"), strip clubs, skin mags, phone sex, webcam sex. Even movies and TV (even if rated "PG") tend towards a bit of lewdness designed to titillate the oversexed viewing audience. It can even be discerned in TV commercials and other advertisements. Sex sells.

This seems to be across the board throughout society, although some areas tend to be more conservative than others.

Personally, I've never been to a prostitute, although I have been propositioned a few times by prostitutes, whom I've had to politely turn down. I would never coerce anyone, although if I had accepted their offer and paid them for sex, I can't see how it would be coercion - especially if they approached me first. There may be other situations where a man is out of town on business, has a drink in a local lounge, where he might be approached by a lady of the evening. He may not go out actively looking for a prostitute, though. Some women can be quite sexy, seductive, and know how to use their feminine wiles to get what they want from a man. This can often happen even without actual monetary exchange.

Oftentimes I see commercials for a local jeweler, which usually shows a man giving a diamond ring to his wife/girlfriend/fiancee - and she just suddenly melts with passion. This is how people are conditioned in this society - and it might very well be degrading and dehumanizing. Although that seems more a comment on the obsession this society has with sex and money - but of course that's nothing new in human history.

Whether or not prostitution is legal or not - this is just a technicality and likely does not change the overall condition one iota.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Lyndon said:
you have to wonder, what in it for them, when people so vocally call for legalization!!
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You mean like what do straight people get out of supporting gay rights? Personally I have known some women that worked in the field. I can see for them that making it illegal did not help them. What should be worked on is what drove them into that work.
 
joe1776

joe1776

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Quintessence said:
Aaaand... still missing the point.

I really couldn't care less what you think about this. All I'm telling you people is that I cannot and will not consider legalization of prostitution while women's rights are under assault in my country. For reasons that I would think are common sense, but, sadly, are not.
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Think as you like, but what we're concerned with in this thread is not just your opinion but any logical argument you might have to support it. If you don't offer one, it's fair to assume you don't have one.
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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Subduction Zone said:
You mean like what do straight people get out of supporting gay rights? Personally I have known some women that worked in the field. I can see for them that making it illegal did not help them. What should be worked on is what drove them into that work.
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That's why I support no penalties for the prostitutes, only for the Johns.
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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joe1776 said:
Think as you like, but what we're concerned with in this thread is not just your opinion but any logical argument you might have to support it. If you don't offer one, it's fair to assume you don't have one.
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Sorry but that's a completely illogical argument!!
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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joe1776 said:
So, am I right that punishing the John as a criminal is based on your concept of abuse which trump's that of the woman who agrees to consensual sex?
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Trump was as guilty of sexual abuse as any John
 
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