That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Zita · May 19, 2019

Deeje said:
There is no hellfire in the Bible. Those scriptures mistranslate "gehenna" as hellfire and try to paint a picture of a vindictive and cruel god who has nothing better to do that listen to the screams of souls in eternal agony....seriously, how is that describing a God of Love?

The only choice given to humankind right from the beginning was life or death.....there was never heaven or hell in the first place. Show me hell in Genesis....show me hell in the OT....? Jesus was Jewish and he did not teach about heaven or hell as opposite destinations. Its amazing how many people have been taught to think so. Such teachings only inspire fear....not love.

Ok you read plainly that "hellfire" was in Matt. not once but twice and you want to say it's mistranslated,really? Its funny cause when you religious people say things that this only shows me I am right about The Bible, yall don't even believe it yourself.also I can show you scriptures of Jesus Christ teaching about hell!! and Heaven, and of course they are two opposite destinations!!Duh!!But I am not going waste my time stating this fact cause I'm sure you will find away to say "its not what it means!!"also you say that how does that describe a God of love? well lets see ;how does causing a flood and killing innocent people describing a God of love.When on judgement day some people will go into hell for the rest of eternity describing a God of Love.How does the slaying of many describe a God of love.
Deuteronomy 6:15
for the LORD your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the LORD your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth. How does that describe a God of love.

Dan Mellis · May 19, 2019

columbus said:
The Philippines is among the top destinations for pedophiles on sex tourism.
Because the phillipinoes don't take very good care of their children. The legal age of consent is like, 6 or something. Parents regularly rent out their kids.
Don't ask me how I know this.
Tom

I didnt know this, but i was being slightly sarcastic haha

Dan Mellis · May 19, 2019

MJFlores said:
I believe the Philippines is very conservative and holds traditional values dear.

Gay marriage is something complicated because there will be revisions on related laws like the Family Code. Philippine law gives the advantage to women.

Republic Act 9262: Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004
"THE ANTI-VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN ACT OF 2004"
https://pcw.gov.ph/law/republic-act-9262

The law protects women against the abuses of their husbands, live in partners, boyfriends or suitors.
What happens when both are women? How does the law now operate under a complex set up?

Further there is no clamor for gay marriage among Filipinos.
Only 2 in 10 Filipinos favor same-sex marriage
Only 2 in 10 Filipinos favor same-sex marriage – SWS

On divorce 53% of Filipinos agree on this one.
53% of Filipinos agree to legalize divorce
53% of Filipinos agree to legalize divorce – SWS

Sex change? Filipinos go to Thailand to undergo gender reassignment. There are no restrictions as long our Filipino doctors do not engage any gender reassignment. Filipino doctors could perform cosmetic surgeries but are hands off on gender reassignment.

A famous Filipina celebrity was formerly a woman and under went gender reassignment is Charice Pempengco
Jake Zyrus - Wikipedia
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I think she was better off before - she had more fans and more success here and abroad until the transformation.

Abortions and Pornography are criminalized in the Philippines. We go after baby killers, mothers who kill their babies. The police are also involved in the apprehension of people engaging in child pornography, pedophiles and there is a regulatory body reviewing Philippine and foreign movies, TV programs. These things are crimes and punishable with stiff fines and long time in prison. And Philippine prisons are among the worst places to be on the planet.

In Philippine prisons, they practice that whole homosexual sin thing, daily.

1: It shouldnt matter who the aggressor is for dimestic violence. That is a backwards law. Gay marriage is not a complicated thing.

2: Cool, so what you're saying is the phillipines needs drastic social change?

3: more than half are in favour. Is this your point? It seems that is helpful to my argument.

3: don't try to say its fine, because it isnt. If you have to go to another country to get it done, it isnt fine. What does it matter if that celebrity was more successful before? Gender dysphoria is a very real and very difficult condition and for those that suffer it, being in a body they feel that they belong in is the most important thing. What a strange argument to say "dont change sex kids, you'll lose fans"

4: baby killers? I think you mean clump of unthinking, unfeeling cells killers. Also, you're right, prisons there also need drastic attention.

5: good for them, as long as everyones enjoying it.

Deeje · May 19, 2019

Zita said:
Ok you read plainly that "hellfire" was in Matt. not once but twice and you want to say it's mistranslated,really?

Yes, there is no hellfire in the Bible...."Gehenna" is not hell. It was Jerusalem's rubbish tip where the bodies of executed criminals and the carcasses of dead animals were thrown for disposal. Fires were kept burning day and night to consume the rubbish and what the flames missed, the maggots finished off. Nothing alive was ever cast into gehenna. It was a symbol of everlasting death....the opposite of everlasting life.

Nowhere in Genesis is hell mentioned, so if there was such a place, why weren't the first pair warned about it?.....and I asked you to show me heaven and hell in the OT.....can you?
Jesus was Jewish and he taught from those scriptures.

Its funny cause when you religious people say things that this only shows me I am right about The Bible, yall don't even believe it yourself.

Us "religious people"

...as opposed to whom...irreligious people? What on earth do irreligious people believe? Do y'all believe the same things?

You are speaking about Christendom......I am no part of Christendom because they twist the Bible all out of shape. None of their core beliefs are found in the Bible.....they borrowed them from the pagans.

also I can show you scriptures of Jesus Christ teaching about hell!! and Heaven, and of course they are two opposite destinations!!Duh!!But I am not going waste my time stating this fact cause I'm sure you will find away to say "its not what it means!!"

If you had the slightest clue about what the Bible teaches (as opposed to what the churches teach) you would be able to answer your own questions. Jesus never mentions heaven and hell as opposite destinations. The Jews had no concept of hell, nor did they believe that they were going to heaven. To the ancient Jews, the dead were unconscious in their graves awaiting the promised resurrection. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10.) Read it from the Jewish Tanach....
Kohelet - Ecclesiastes - Chapter 9

Jesus resurrected his friend Lazarus...but where was Lazarus before Jesus brought him back to life? (John 11:11-14) Jesus tells us....he was "sleeping". Jesus will resurrect the dead, just like that. (John 5:28-29)

also you say that how does that describe a God of love? well lets see ;how does causing a flood and killing innocent people describing a God of love.

Who said God ever killed innocent people? Did you know that Noah preached to the people for decades, warning them about what God was going to do....they didn't listen and paid the price.
As the Creator of life, he also has the right to take it away if you break his laws....that is not innocence.

When on judgement day some people will go into hell for the rest of eternity describing a God of Love.How does the slaying of many describe a God of love.

There is no hell for the rest of eternity...there is only eternal death....a complete forfeiting of life...nothing more.
The wicked will be wiped away and no trace will ever be found of them again....it will be like they never existed. A God of love expels the wicked for the benefit of the righteous......that is loving. His plans for this earth do not include rebels. Its really that simple.

Deuteronomy 6:15
for the LORD your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the LORD your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth. How does that describe a God of love.

As above....If you know the penalty before you commit the crime, then who can you blame when it is implemented? If you committed a capital offense in Israel, you got the death penalty. That is justice.

The Creator is Universal Sovereign which gives him the right to set the rules and boundaries. If you don't shape up...you ship out. Seems fair to me.

Where do you get the idea that God should be some sentimental sop who falls for crocodile tears? He is not a sentimental God but a God of justice. He means what he says.....

MJFlores · May 19, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
1: It shouldnt matter who the aggressor is for dimestic violence. That is a backwards law. Gay marriage is not a complicated thing.

2: Cool, so what you're saying is the phillipines needs drastic social change?

3: more than half are in favour. Is this your point? It seems that is helpful to my argument.

3: don't try to say its fine, because it isnt. If you have to go to another country to get it done, it isnt fine. What does it matter if that celebrity was more successful before? Gender dysphoria is a very real and very difficult condition and for those that suffer it, being in a body they feel that they belong in is the most important thing. What a strange argument to say "dont change sex kids, you'll lose fans"

4: baby killers? I think you mean clump of unthinking, unfeeling cells killers. Also, you're right, prisons there also need drastic attention.

5: good for them, as long as everyones enjoying it.

1. I think it is justified. I am against domestic violence. It is ugly. I think the Brits had problems with that too.

"In the year ending March 2016, 1.2 million women reported experiences of domestic abuse in England and Wales. Office for National Statistics (2016) Domestic Abuse in England and Wales: year ending March 2016. Whilst this number is shocking, we also know it is grossly underestimated."
The facts - Refuge Charity - Domestic Violence Help

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2. The Philippines is ok without divorce and gay marriages. The two things are Western concepts, not Filipino. Having gender reassignment has its risks, it really depends on public perception which is beyond anyone's control. There are gay entertainers in the Philippines are top earners. It just happened that Charice Pempengco aka Jake Zyrus did not turn out well. When people saw her as that sweet girl named Charice who can sing and now a tattooed man named Jake - is a traumatic thing for a conservative society to accept.

3. More than half are in favor of divorce because in marriage, familiarity breeds contempt. It is an ironic thing, when people are young, they are idealistic and very much in-love but as time passes, the wrinkles appear and the silver hair begins to show, people become realistic and love withers away. It is a fact of life and people want a way out. However, 53% in favor of divorce isn't enough - Filipinos have closely knit family ties. We don't want a family member separate from us. Unlike in Western countries, when you hit the senior years, it is off to the home for the aged for you.

4. We love babies and we hate baby killers.

5. In Philippine jail - there is a hierarchy of prisoners. The top honcho is the "mayor", the is the Alpha Dog. As the Alpha Dog, he preys on the newbie prisoners and he will effing everyone in his cell. Would that be enjoyable? That is male rape.

Why is Facebook like jail?
You have a profile picture, you sit around all day writing on walls, and you get poked by guys you really don't know.

Zita · May 19, 2019

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Deeje said:
Yes, there is no hellfire in the Bible...."Gehenna" is not hell. It was Jerusalem's rubbish tip where the bodies of executed criminals and the carcasses of dead animals were thrown for disposal. Fires were kept burning day and night to consume the rubbish and what the flames missed, the maggots finished off. Nothing alive was ever cast into gehenna. It was a symbol of everlasting death....the opposite of everlasting life.

Nowhere in Genesis is hell mentioned, so if there was such a place, why weren't the first pair warned about it?.....and I asked you to show me heaven and hell in the OT.....can you?
Jesus was Jewish and he taught from those scriptures.

Us "religious people" ...as opposed to whom...irreligious people? What on earth do irreligious people believe? Do y'all believe the same things?

You are speaking about Christendom......I am no part of Christendom because they twist the Bible all out of shape. None of their core beliefs are found in the Bible.....they borrowed them from the pagans.

If you had the slightest clue about what the Bible teaches (as opposed to what the churches teach) you would be able to answer your own questions. Jesus never mentions heaven and hell as opposite destinations. The Jews had no concept of hell, nor did they believe that they were going to heaven. To the ancient Jews, the dead were unconscious in their graves awaiting the promised resurrection. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10.) Read it from the Jewish Tanach....
Kohelet - Ecclesiastes - Chapter 9

Jesus resurrected his friend Lazarus...but where was Lazarus before Jesus brought him back to life? (John 11:11-14) Jesus tells us....he was "sleeping". Jesus will resurrect the dead, just like that. (John 5:28-29)

Who said God ever killed innocent people? Did you know that Noah preached to the people for decades, warning them about what God was going to do....they didn't listen and paid the price.
As the Creator of life, he also has the right to take it away if you break his laws....that is not innocence.

There is no hell for the rest of eternity...there is only eternal death....a complete forfeiting of life...nothing more.
The wicked will be wiped away and no trace will ever be found of them again....it will be like they never existed. A God of love expels the wicked for the benefit of the righteous......that is loving. His plans for this earth do not include rebels. Its really that simple.

As above....If you know the penalty before you commit the crime, then who can you blame when it is implemented? If you committed a capital offense in Israel, you got the death penalty. That is justice.

The Creator is Universal Sovereign which gives him the right to set the rules and boundaries. If you don't shape up...you ship out. Seems fair to me.

Where do you get the idea that God should be some sentimental sop who falls for crocodile tears? He is not a sentimental God but a God of justice. He means what he says.....

Nope. I don't have the slightest clue or know about the bible at all, cause I don't feel it's truly the Word of God I feel ts a fictional novel, full of dogma, I looked up what I typed, personally I could care less what it says, just like I feel you can't accurately prove none of what you just said, I don't buy none of it,I'm so glad for you that you know that book,Do you want a cookie? Hell, I just like to debate! and get religious people and people who swear by the bible all revved up

and by the way "My Creator" is not some sap but he is sentimental,forgiving,caring,loving and lifts me up when I do cry crocodile tears,and I can communicate with him directly, I don't have to go through Jesus like the "bible" tells it. So glad I'm not programed by words in a book to tell me how I should live and think and act!! My Creator has already equipped me with all that knowledge and guidance,and common sense ,when he Created me, so I can live here on earth blessed,happy,peaceful,successful and abundantly. And I'm so glad about it. Well, you take care now.

Spartan · May 19, 2019

Skwim said:
And you know this to be true because it's simply convenient to. Nice how Christians resort to interpolation when it helps their case, but never touch it when it doesn't. Honest to god, sometimes Christian apologetics is so transparently puerile it's comic.

Apparently you will keep on trying to legitimize and justify illicit homosexual sin until the cows come home. Homosexual sin is an abomination and a perversion and cannot be justified.

Spartan · May 19, 2019

Zita said:
Ok......... I've read and understand what you have stated,but the post is about homosexuality and sin, and your explanation is nice but it doesn/t change the fact that the bible you believe in says homosexuality will keep you out of the kingdom of God.

For the life of me I cannot recall even one pro-homosexual debater who has ever admitted to having repented of their gay sex sin. And unless people repent, they will perish (Luke 13:3). That's what's going to keep them out of heaven.

RESOLUTION · May 19, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I see that you do not like the idea of a rational reason for right and wrong. That leads to very immoral behavior at times. This is why secular morality is always superior to religious morality.

No you see only what you want to see.. Rational reasoning? Is the actions of Islamic terrorist rational? It is you who uses double standards. You say God is right about theft, adultery and murder but you single out one thing you do not consider wrong or sin. Rational reasoning.... How do you discern rational reasoning when it comes to sin and what you yourself consider to be wrong?
Are you saying you do not believe stealing is wrong/sin or adultery? What you choose to deliberately ignore is that to God sin is sin. It is not what I think or what I reason. You have to debate what is considered to be wrong/sin by God and why you reason one wrong/sin to be different from the other.

Subduction Zone · May 19, 2019

RESOLUTION said:
No you see only what you want to see.. Rational reasoning? Is the actions of Islamic terrorist rational? It is you who uses double standards. You say God is right about theft, adultery and murder but you single out one thing you do not consider wrong or sin. Rational reasoning.... How do you discern rational reasoning when it comes to sin and what you yourself consider to be wrong?
Are you saying you do not believe stealing is wrong/sin or adultery? What you choose to deliberately ignore is that to God sin is sin. It is not what I think or what I reason. You have to debate what is considered to be wrong/sin by God and why you reason one wrong/sin to be different from the other.

A being that does not exist cannot be "right". If you want to claim that homosexuality is wrong a rational reason is needed. "My superstitious beliefs say so" is not a very good answer.

Zita · May 19, 2019

Prestor John said:
The Reason God Detests [Homosexuality] (not just the act of gay sex) is BECAUSE : It frustrates/stagnates/halts the eternal progression of His children.

Well as far as we know God may not have a problem with homosexuality or homosexuals,lust,immortal sexuality all of that, we really have no idea what he said about it, if he said anything at all !!! Come on lets face the fact none of us were there to witness any kind of conversation between God and the one who wrote the scripture this "man" may have put his own 2 cents in and wrote his opinion of it all, and bam!! there it is!! all this stress for nothing!!! It's said that we all fall short of the glory of God and we are all sinners anyway,and a sin is a sin. I've seen people live as close to the word as humanly possible and because he comments adultery he's knocked out of the kingdom of God? none of it makes any logical sense at all. So should homosexuals deny themselves?

Skwim · May 19, 2019

Spartan said:
Apparently you will keep on trying to legitimize and justify illicit homosexual sin until the cows come home. Homosexual sin is an abomination and a perversion and cannot be justified.

Fine, then how about giving me a straight answer to my OP question.

The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex (or finds it an abomination and a perversion) Is BECAUSE ______________________ .

.

Zita · May 19, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
A being that does not exist cannot be "right". If you want to claim that homosexuality is wrong a rational reason is needed. "My superstitious beliefs say so" is not a very good answer.

Its funny I just got through posting the same thang,great minds think alike

Zita · May 19, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I see that you do not like the idea of a rational reason for right and wrong. That leads to very immoral behavior at times. This is why secular morality is always superior to religious morality.

Well as I see it you were asked to show Paul and God are wrong, you need to ask him to show why Paul and God are right?

Zita · May 19, 2019

Spartan said:
Who fed you that lie?

WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL!

"fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41

"everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41

"eternal damnation" Mark 3:29

"hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47

"damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47

"damnation of hell" Matt 23:33

"resurrection of damnation" John 5:29

"furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50

"the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45

"the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48

"Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48

"wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50

"weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30

"torments" Luke 16:23

"tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24

"place of torment" Luke 16:28

"outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13

"everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE

The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."

Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."

HELL IS FOREVER!

The Truth About Hell

@ Spartan, I had this same debate with Deeje yesterday, gave the same scriptures and everything!! but still she insists "there is no hellfire in the bible" and Jesus didn't preach on hell and he is not gonna cast certain individuals in hell and etc. and etc, you can give her proof till you are blue in the face, She just knows she is right, I gave up on her, I see on her profile she is a student,I believe maybe she has a learning disability!! yea I know I am gonna probably get a lot of heat for saying that; but "oh well" it is what it is. I just call it how I see it. I just wanted you to know I agree with you and you're not crazy, she's just special.

columbus · May 19, 2019

Prestor John said:
The Reason God Detests [Homosexuality] (not just the act of gay sex) is BECAUSE : It frustrates/stagnates/halts the eternal progression of His children.

What reason would I have to consider you a credible spokesman for the ineffable, unknowable, supernatural, Creator of Reality?

I'm asking, because I don't see any reason to think that you are so exalted.

I think that you are creating a God in your own image, One who agrees with you about what you consider important.

I consider that hubris. Which is very common amongst religionists, but nevertheless, totally egotistical pridefulness.

Arrogance.

Tom

Subduction Zone · May 19, 2019

Zita said:
Well as I see it you were asked to show Paul and God are wrong, you need to ask him to show why Paul and God are right?

Paul grew up in a very homophobic environment. His own writings tell us that he may have been gay himself. His attacks on homosexuality may have been a result of that. Some of the most virulent homophobes often are themselves homosexual.

Zita · May 19, 2019

Deeje said:
The thing is.....he didn't. This is what I believe.....

There is no heaven or hell scenario in the Bible. That belief originated from other religious systems. It was used to create fear and to make the masses easy to control. God is Love, not fear.

Sin is not just harmful....it is death dealing. Since death was not supposed to happen....what caused it wasn't supposed to happen either. But we are not programmed robots, we were actually created to be God's appointed caretakers here, acting as his representatives, which required intelligent decision making and forethought. Having God's qualities along with the ability to make considered choices would have equipped humankind for the assigned task.

If a rebellious third party had not hijacked the whole thing, the human race would most likely have completed their mandate by now to transform the whole earth into a paradise as God instructed. But "sin" (an archery term meaning to "miss the mark") entered into human DNA and caused them to become defective. It was terminal, leading to death. Sin is inheritable, so it spread to every offspring that originated from the first humans. It also had the effect of leading humans to make wrong decisions for selfish reasons....to act independently of God's laws. Humanity lost cohesion and we see that independence has never resulted in peace or harmony among the human race.....only division and conflict

All we have is our own reality....but I don't believe that God just abandoned us to our own devices now that sin had us by the throat. He went into action straight away and implemented a plan to rescue the victims of a deadly decision made by their first parents. He also left a guidebook to outline the reason for all that transpired and what he was going to do to get us back what we lost. The thing is, we humans are not the only ones involved in this issue. The first rebel was not human. This situation is more about God's spirit family than the humans who were taken hostage. Both will be affected by the outcome, forever.

If God is not a human invention, then we owe him our existence, and he has the right to set the rules for our existence. Along with the gift of life is instruction on how to use free will so that it doesn't impact negatively on the free will of others.

Free will was never truly "free" because it had to be exercised within the parameters set by the Creator. If we could just do as we are told and trust that God knows what he is doing, we would save ourselves so much heartache. The trouble is that misinformation fuels misunderstanding and sets people against one another.

Being "different" is not the problem...it's other people's reaction to that difference that results in problems. Free will means that we choose our "normal" according to who "we" are as individuals. God has not pre-programmed anyone to a certain lifestyle. Each one of us is the product of a faulty gene pool. Those 'faults' manifest themselves in many ways. None of us are perfect and some are more affected by defective genes than others. It's all about how we respond to those 'faults'.

You are entitled to believe whatever you wish. But what people individually believe is irrelevant. "Believing" is something we all do, so what we choose to "believe" is an expression of free will.
It tells God who we are, and whether we have the qualities that he is looking for in those he chooses to make up the nucleus of his new world, which is outlined in the Bible. By our own decisions, we plot our own future. God doesn't need to judge us....we judge ourselves.

God forces no one to believe anything....but one thing is certain...our decisions determine how the Creator sees us. Believing in him or not makes no difference. We tell him who we are without any intervention to force our decision one way or the other.

Since there is no such place as Christendom's hell, there is no threat of eternal torment. There is just life or death. Most atheists would never want to live in a world ruled by God......is it fair that they will get their wish? You tell me.....

Deeje said:
The thing is.....he didn't. This is what I believe.....

There is no heaven or hell scenario in the Bible. That belief originated from other religious systems. It was used to create fear and to make the masses easy to control. God is Love, not fear.

Sin is not just harmful....it is death dealing. Since death was not supposed to happen....what caused it wasn't supposed to happen either. But we are not programmed robots, we were actually created to be God's appointed caretakers here, acting as his representatives, which required intelligent decision making and forethought. Having God's qualities along with the ability to make considered choices would have equipped humankind for the assigned task.

If a rebellious third party had not hijacked the whole thing, the human race would most likely have completed their mandate by now to transform the whole earth into a paradise as God instructed. But "sin" (an archery term meaning to "miss the mark") entered into human DNA and caused them to become defective. It was terminal, leading to death. Sin is inheritable, so it spread to every offspring that originated from the first humans. It also had the effect of leading humans to make wrong decisions for selfish reasons....to act independently of God's laws. Humanity lost cohesion and we see that independence has never resulted in peace or harmony among the human race.....only division and conflict.

All we have is our own reality....but I don't believe that God just abandoned us to our own devices now that sin had us by the throat. He went into action straight away and implemented a plan to rescue the victims of a deadly decision made by their first parents. He also left a guidebook to outline the reason for all that transpired and what he was going to do to get us back what we lost. The thing is, we humans are not the only ones involved in this issue. The first rebel was not human. This situation is more about God's spirit family than the humans who were taken hostage. Both will be affected by the outcome, forever.

If God is not a human invention, then we owe him our existence, and he has the right to set the rules for our existence. Along with the gift of life is instruction on how to use free will so that it doesn't impact negatively on the free will of others.

Free will was never truly "free" because it had to be exercised within the parameters set by the Creator. If we could just do as we are told and trust that God knows what he is doing, we would save ourselves so much heartache. The trouble is that misinformation fuels misunderstanding and sets people against one another.

Being "different" is not the problem...it's other people's reaction to that difference that results in problems. Free will means that we choose our "normal" according to who "we" are as individuals. God has not pre-programmed anyone to a certain lifestyle. Each one of us is the product of a faulty gene pool. Those 'faults' manifest themselves in many ways. None of us are perfect and some are more affected by defective genes than others. It's all about how we respond to those 'faults'.

You are entitled to believe whatever you wish. But what people individually believe is irrelevant. "Believing" is something we all do, so what we choose to "believe" is an expression of free will.
It tells God who we are, and whether we have the qualities that he is looking for in those he chooses to make up the nucleus of his new world, which is outlined in the Bible. By our own decisions, we plot our own future. God doesn't need to judge us....we judge ourselves.

God forces no one to believe anything....but one thing is certain...our decisions determine how the Creator sees us. Believing in him or not makes no difference. We tell him who we are without any intervention to force our decision one way or the other.

Since there is no such place as Christendom's hell, there is no threat of eternal torment. There is just life or death. Most atheists would never want to live in a world ruled by God......is it fair that they will get their wish? You tell me.....

The more I read your posts, the more I wonder if you are reading the same Bible the rest of world is reading? Do you study for yourself or go to a school to study? I'm just trying to figure what the problem is.

Prestor John · May 19, 2019

Zita said:
Well as far as we know God may not have a problem with homosexuality or homosexuals,lust,immortal sexuality all of that, we really have no idea what he said about it, if he said anything at all !!! Come on lets face the fact none of us were there to witness any kind of conversation between God and the one who wrote the scripture this "man" may have put his own 2 cents in and wrote his opinion of it all, and bam!! there it is!! all this stress for nothing!!! It's said that we all fall short of the glory of God and we are all sinners anyway,and a sin is a sin. I've seen people live as close to the word as humanly possible and because he comments adultery he's knocked out of the kingdom of God? none of it makes any logical sense at all. So should homosexuals deny themselves?

A few things I would like to point out.

First, the sin of homosexuality is condemned all throughout the Bible, not just by one single man. The Bible spans millennia and hundreds of writers.

Second, the many books of scripture outside of the Bible also condemn the practice of homosexuality.

Third, anyone can know the truth of this or other spiritual topics by relying on the witness of the Holy Spirit.

Fourth, all of mankind being sinners is no excuse to commit sin or ignore instruction from God.

Five, it is possible for us to be forgiven of sin through the atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. This includes the sins of adultery and homosexuality.

Six, you are correct that your false assumptions make no logical sense.

Lastly, abstaining from sin is not to deny oneself. We are not defined by our sins.

Prestor John · May 19, 2019

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Unlike all the miscarriages he lets get by. And in case you're not aware, the eternal progression of His children is doing quite well, thank you.

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A miscarriage does not frustrate/stagnate/halt anyone's eternal progression.

A forced miscarriage (abortion) might though.

One of the main purposes of us entering into mortality is to find and be sealed to our eternal mate.

Homosexual couples cannot mate or be sealed.

Homosexuality literally frustrates/stagnates/halts the eternal progression of those who practice it.

That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

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