Koldo
Outstanding Member
I wonder if this exemption was granted just to make the law more palatable. As absurd as it might seem, being consistent might not be seen as all that important to folks in general.
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An Interesting Thing About The Missouri Abortion Bill
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I wonder if this exemption was granted just to make the law more palatable. As absurd as it might seem, being consistent might not be seen as all that important to folks in general.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
ABSOLUTELY! According to anti-women/anti-choicers? ONLY THE FETUS MATTERS.
Nobody else matters. Nobody.
Shad
Veteran Member
This outcome, in my view, depends on what happens after Trump. Does his populism remain in the GOP or leave with him? Do the counter-reactionary movements remain or die without a focus? Trump's character makes him an easy target. The standard GOP character makes you doze off.
Bob the Unbeliever
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Except that "women" under the thumb of CONservitive men? Do As They Are Told-- as they are merely property anyway.
Aye, it'll help keep the female vote.
(All doctors are men, you know.)
The way the bill is worded, it says that abortions are more dangerous to women the further along in the pregnancy they occur. They are "regulating" abortion after 8 weeks because it is more dangerous to women than abortions before 8 weeks, so doctors who perform these "more dangerous" abortions are putting women in greater danger.
(Notwithstanding the fact that abortion done by an able medical provider is safer than giving birth, ans is also safer than women trying to do the abortion themselves.)
Politics likewise
So conservative women are either A, held political hostage against their true liberal beliefs which they all hold deep down inside, or B, are all stupid and incapable of thinking for themselves and leave that to their male family members?
How hard is it to conceive of the fact that people can be just as informed as you about a given issue and yet rationally come to a different conclusion about what is right or what should be done?
Barbaric? It's how babies are acquired these days. They cost money, and people wanting children are willing to incur that expense. That amount or more is the value of acquiring a child to the person willing to pay it.
Whether you go through an adoption agency, pay the medical expenses of a surrogate, get in vitro fertilization, or deliver it yourself in a hospital after months of prenatal care, you're going to be spending money to get a baby separate from the expense of caring for it once it comes home.
Barbaric is going out into the woods and giving birth, pretty much the only way to get a baby without spending money.
OK. How about the same compromise they made a few centuries ago deigning a bicameral congress, and merging the idea of the individual state and the individual citizen assuming responsibility for the debt and calculating some kind of intermediate amount for each state in these proposed new countries..
I've never seen that except from anti-choicers.
Nor have I heard a woman tell me that she thinks that she was lied to or conned by her physician regarding her pregnancy. What lie? That
You're probably trusting sources like
- "Planned Parenthood has hunted down millions and millions of little innocent babies, stuck a knife into the uterus, cut them, pulled them out, crushed their skull with forceps, ripped their body apart, sold their tissue, and threw them bleeding into a trash bin.I say, tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it's time that abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life." - Joshua Feuerstein
These were the ones lying, claiming that the clinics were promoting abortion for profit in the baby parts business. And they got into legal trouble for their stunt.
But you don't believe that that is any part of their motivation for this bill, do you? They're not interested in the well-being of the pregnant woman. They just want women who missed the 8 week deadline to not be able to get an abortion. It's an interim step along the way to recriminalizing abortion in the US. They're simply not free to admit that this is nothing more or less than them trying to impose their religious values on others who may have other values.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Or? C, so deeply brainwashed into the CONservitive Meme that women are merely property of men.
You know. Just as the bible describes them. Women, according to the bible, are not permitted to give permission about their own bodies-- that is the sole propriety of their OWNERS. Their fathers or brothers or uncles-- who ever owns them.
Except that they are not "just as informed"-- else the'd be in favor of giving women control over their own bodies.
Instead of making them body slaves to men, and men's "sacred" sperms.
Because Every Sperm Is Sacred. Right?
Yes.
State regulation of abortion is painfully stupid and evil.
Especially when it doesn't come with preventative measures, like age appropriate sex ed and serious funding for organizations such as Planned Parenthood.
But having kept his promise to appoint SCOTUS judges who will support those state by state initiatives, in all likelihood, I blame the people who voted for Trump. Just like I blame them for the renewed conflict with Iran, and the increasing federal debt, etc.
I find prohibitive regulations on abortion, at the state level, stupid and evil. Especially when the state policies don't include prevention. All Missouri is doing is pushing abortions into other states, provided the parents can afford such an endeavor.
Trumpishly stupid and evil. But it will fire up his base.
Which is all Trump cares about. He got you to vote for him.
Tom
Equal rights is not about giving one person a say about what happens inside another person body.
Do you want to grant someone else an equal say about your biological functions?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Until you can carry a baby around in your scrotum and squeeze out of your penis, yes, there are biological differences.
Of course not.
I’m so tired of the abortion issue. One party went extreme so the other responded in kind. What most fail to realize is that abortion is simply a wedge issue meant to divide and get votes. From my perspective, this was settled long ago with Roe v Wade. It’s time for reasonableness. It’s time to move on.
Shad
Veteran Member
It fits the rhetoric
That is why it is being called a con. People do not know they are being conned according to the view.
The lie is really projection of beliefs on to the doctors as if the doctors believed those same things. Think of it this way. I believe X. Doctors say they believe Y but really they believe X and lie to people about Y. As I said it is projection.
I never cited anything. You are knocking down something in your head.
Actually the legal trouble failed in a number of cases siding with the activists. I am not sure if the group was that you mentioned but a few activist have won against PP. Although this is nothings to do with what I said.
You are ranting a bit.
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Hey, JSYK, somehow you ended up responding to someone else's post but my name was tagged in the quotes somehow.
Shad
Veteran Member
Sorry I must of had another tag before I posted I didn't notice. Thanks for letting me know.