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Why Prostitution Should be Legal

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
That's the part they never seem to get. If you have to PAY for consent, it's not really consent, is it. It's just the appearance of consent for moral and legal purposes.

Wrong. By your logic, if someone has to PAY for my car, then I'm not really consenting that they take my car. It's just the appearance of consent for legal purposes when in reality, anyone who I sell my car to is actually stealing it.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Because its a disgusting and degrading act to the prostitute, and is hardly consensual since it is only done when money is involved.
I think it should the prostitute's call on whether it's disgusting or degrading not yours. I think you should be ashamed of supporting legislation that makes criminals of people when there is no innocent victim.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Wrong. By your logic, if someone has to PAY for my car, then I'm not really consenting that they take my car. It's just the appearance of consent for legal purposes when in reality, anyone who I sell my car to is actually stealing it.
As you were so quick to point out above, selling a car has nothing to do with selling a live human body for someone else to use as a sex toy. This isn't a logical monetary issue, it's an ethical/moral issue.

Why don't you address post #9?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
they probably wish they could sleep through some disgusting encounters.!!
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
the Johns are not innocent, they're sick perverts.
There is no innocent victim. Therefore, consistent with what we have learned from conscience, the act is not immoral. And, if it is not immoral, it should not be unlawful.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
...But if I talk a child into agreeing to let me rape her, and then I give her some money afterwards, is it no longer a crime? ....
You avoided discussing the ordinary act of prostitution and created this absurd hypothetical (which obviously would be a crime) because you don't have a valid argument to make if you confine yourself to the ordinary act of prostitution which involves no innocent victim and is, therefore, not immoral.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I think it should the prostitute's call on whether it's disgusting or degrading not yours.
Pedophiles think it should be the child's call whether they consent to having sex with an adult or not. But as a society we don't allow that because we understand that children aren't able give informed consent. And we also understand that adults WILL take advantage of them for their own sexual pleasure even though it causes the child harm that the child may not immediately understand or recognize, so that they have to be protected. I'm saying that the same is true of men or women trapped in poverty giving effectively forced consent to prostitution just to survive. As it is also true for men or women caught in a drug addiction, or in a psychological illness due to a history of past child emotional and/or sexual abuse. And studies have shown that a very large portion of prostitutes suffer from one or more of those conditions.

You seem to imagine that the only factor to consider is this magical "consent" that has to be coerced with money. And I'm trying to point out that consent is NOT the fundamental factor to be considered. The well-being of those involved, is. And because sex so often involves some degree of coercion and domination it requires special vigilance within any society to keep everyone reasonably protected. And the idea of "consent" by itself is not going to provide that measured and complex vigilance.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You avoided discussing the ordinary act of prostitution and created this absurd hypothetical (which obviously would be a crime) because you don't have a valid argument to make if you confine yourself to the ordinary act of prostitution which involves no innocent victim and is, therefore, not immoral.
And you avoided the whole rest of my post which explains why prostitution is not an "ordinary" act. Why don't you address the content of the entire post #9?
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Pedophiles think it should be the child's call whether they consent to having sex with an adults or not...
You can't seem to make arguments by sticking to our topic. What pedophiles think is irrelevant in this discussion.
I'm saying that the same is true of men or women trapped in poverty giving effectively forced consent to prostitution just to survive.
.If a woman is actually forced that's a crime because she's an innocent victim. But she isn't guilty of a crime and neither is the man who uses the services she's offering because he didn't create the economic poverty.
You seem to imagine that the only factor to consider is this magical "consent" that has to be coerced with money. And I'm trying to point out that consent is NOT the fundamental factor to be considered. The well-being of those involved, is. And because sex so often involves some degree of coercion and domination it requires special vigilance within any society to keep everyone reasonably protected. And the idea of "consent" by itself is not going to provide that measured and complex vigilance.
You're tap dancing your way around the issue of consent which is a pretty simple matter under the law when adults are involved. She asked if he wanted her services. He said yes.
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The legalization of prostitution would greatly benefit society, save many lives, and prevent many instances of abuse. Sadly, it seems to be a taboo conversation in the political world, compared with, say, the legalization of pot. However, it is much more important and beneficial for society for prostitution to be legalized than for drugs to be legalized. Here is my list of the most important reasons for why the legalization of prostitution would benefit society.

-Prevention of pimping and human trafficking: Women who are being abused by pimps would no longer be afraid of facing prosecution for prostitution, and thus would be more inclined to report pimps to law enforcement. This is because, consensual prostitution would be a legalized activity, but pimping would be strictly illegal. Thus, pimping would decrease.

-Reduction of rape: There is strong evidence to suggest a substantial reduction in rape and sexual abuse in areas where prostitution has been legalized. (see: Legal prostitution zones reduce incidents of rape and sexual abuse | HuffPost)

-Prevention of violent crime, shootings, and terrorist attacks: There have been many tragic and horrible terrorist attacks and shootings that have been committed by deranged, involuntarily celibate men. In fact, close to half of mass shootings are committed by men who are involuntarily celibate. Thus, if prostitution (always in a consensual context) were an option, it is very possible that many of these horrendous tragedies could be prevented.

As we can see, prevention of sexual abuse and violent crime are excellent reasons to legalize prostitution. I believe that the legalization of prostitution would save many lives and prevent many cases of abuse. It is an issue that needs to be raised in politics due to its immense potential for societal benefits. I believe that it is one of the most beneficial changes that could possibly be made in our society.

Where I live people in England can agree to have sex for rewards.

But I can't shan't and won't. Mrs Badger would not be amused.

:p
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Because its a disgusting and degrading act to the prostitute, and is hardly consensual since it is only done when money is involved.

Not just money, Lyndon.

Back in the day, long ago, when I was beautiful ( :p ) I might have agreed to have sex for a decent shotgun, or a laser dinghy, or.........

Personally I don't think that prostitution is bad. Some middle aged single ladies from around here go to a West African country for holidays, and as soon as they get clear of the airport, handsome young men offer their services as 'guide' and 'guard' to the ladies during their visit. Some ladies are so taken with individual professional 'guides' that they arrange to always be looked after by those individuals during their regular holidays there.

That's fine. Whatever it takes........................ nobody should control another person's sexuality at all.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
And you avoided the whole rest of my post which explains why prostitution is not an "ordinary" act. Why don't you address the content of the entire post #9?
I think my Post No. 28 covered your post No. 9 completely. The bottom line is that you don't want to deal with the ordinary act of prostitution in this debate.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, any inclination I had to entertain such ideas has flown completely out the window with renewed assaults on women's rights in my country. The last thing we need right now are yet more policies that reinforce the notion that women are property and second-class citizens.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Well, any inclination I had to entertain such ideas has flown completely out the window with renewed assaults on women's rights in my country. The last thing we need right now are yet more policies that reinforce the notion that women are property and second-class citizens.
I'm curious. Which position do you end up with?
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Uncle Sam is not happy with people fornicating and making money from it while he is the cuckold in the corner blindfolded. This is why porn is legal buddy, government aint satisfied if they can't have any.

You familiar with the vast arrange of investigations about public official spending tax payer dollars to pay for their extensive porn stashes and premium accounts? Uncle Sam loves porn, prostitution won't be as easy though
It is legal in some states, and therefore it is effectively legal. All you have to do is travel.
 
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