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It’s November 2020, and Trump was Re-elected.

Watchmen

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I see a lot of "Dems, Dems, Dems," while I, in turn, am disagreeing with a man and his policies, not his political affiliation? Trump is a party of self interest alone, it is apparent in his behavior.
That’s fine. Disagree with Trump. But I wish the Dems would do something of substance. Don’t you?
 

averageJOE

zombie
Trump won because the DNC, once again, forced another corporate, centrist, establishment candidate through the primaries, Biden. Biden then didn't inspire ANYONE to come out and vote and voter turn out was as low if not lower than 2016. All Biden was able to offer was to take us back to the good ol' Obama days, which in turn reminded people why they were willing to cast a vote for an orange game show host to begin with. Trump fired up his base by bringing up Russia-gate that brought them out in droves.
 

The Hammer

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That’s fine. Disagree with Trump. But I wish the Dems would do something of substance. Don’t you?

I think that both the Dems and the Repubs are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. Not sure what you mean by do something of substance, no one is or has, in almost 4 years.

Edit: You're low key critique of the Democrats (as opposed to politicians as a whole), lost me a lot of respect for you. This sort of behaviour is the reason why our country is in the **** show it is, not one party or the other. The country is only divided when we act like it.
 
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Watchmen

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I think that both the Dems and the Repubs are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. Not sure what you mean by do something of substance, no one is or has, in almost 4 years.

Edit: You're low key critique of the Democrats (as opposed to politicians as a whole), lost me a lot of respect for you. This sort of behaviour is the reason why our country is in the **** show it is, not one party or the other. The country is only divided when we act like it.
I’m not looking for respect. I’m looking for substance. Instead of endless investigations I wish the Dems would move forward with policy and law. Right or wrong, Trump is tackling immigration, tax reform, immigration reform, and now healthcare reform. I’d love for Dems to address these issues as well instead of spending their time on investigations.
 

The Hammer

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I’m not looking for respect. I’m looking for substance. Instead of endless investigations I wish the Dems would move forward with policy and law. Right or wrong, Trump is tackling immigration, tax reform, immigration reform, and now healthcare reform. I’d love for Dems to address these issues as well instead of spending their time on investigations.

And he is tackling these issues poorly, uninformed, and w/misguided advisors (Dem/rep alike), let the investigations play out as they may, that's part of the legal checks and balances system they taught us about in government class, whether we like it or not.

Let's talk about substantiated Russian election interference and how to prevent that from happening ever again, plus reprimanding that same country instead of cozying up with them (I am not insinuating collusion, Trump is not smart enough for that). How about tackling immigration reform w/o resorting to a fence/wall? Like increased funding for BP and hiring incentives (more guards, less work, more eyes/ears, better training). Then tackling the issues that are tying people up at the border (our gov't asylum system). How about a tax-reform that doesn't include cuts or benefits to his own business interests/friends. How about regulating banking better (Trump removed consumer protections from mid sized banks) so we don't end up in another situation like the last recession?

Once again, party politics aside please, this is the problem with our country, and the more you try to say "Dems Dems Dems," the more you prove my opinion right, that our country is irreparabley divided due to FOX/CNN. There can be no cooperation, while blame is constantly being tossed about.
 

Watchmen

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Premium Member
And he is tackling these issues poorly, uninformed, and w/misguided advisors (Dem/rep alike), let the investigations play out as they may, that's part of the legal checks and balances system they taught us about in government class.

Let's talk about substantiated Russian election interference and how to prevent that from happening ever again, plus reprimanding that same country instead of cozying up with them (I am not insinuating collusion, Trump is not smart enough for that). How about tackling immigration reform w/o resorting to a fence/wall? Like increased funding for BP and hiring incentives (more guards, less work, more eyes/ears, better training). Then tackling the issues that are tying people up at the border (our gov't asylum system). How about a tax-reform that doesn't include cuts or benefits to his own business interests/friends. How about regulating banking better (Trump removed consumer protections from mid sized banks) so we don't end up in another situation like the last recession?

Once again, party politics aside please, this is the problem with our country, and the more you try to say "Dems Dems Dems," the more you prove my opinion right, that our country is irreparabley divided due to FOX/CNN. There can be no cooperation, while blame is constantly being tossed about.
I’m asking the Dems to contribute. I’ve made zero comment on whether Trump is good or bad. You’re reading that into my posts based on your own bias. I have no interest in party politics. I vote for the best candidate regardless of party. You may want to step back and reevaluate your reading of my posts.
 

The Hammer

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I’m asking the Dems to contribute. I’ve made zero comment on whether Trump is good or bad. You’re reading that into my posts based on your own bias. I have no interest in party politics. I vote for the best candidate regardless of party. You may want to step back and reevaluate your reading of my posts.

I don't see how the investigations are particularly hindering to anyone's (Dem or Rep) policy decision making, they are separate legal matters (and running the course of our checks and balances system). Again, the only thing I am reading is you now trying to skirt the fact that I called you out for blaming Democrats. Inversely I'd call someone out blaming Republicans the same way, had they commented too me. Politics has moved beyond parties at this point, and needs to stand up to the merits and policies of the individual in each position.

Edit: You asked for substance, that's why I critiqued his policies. You may also note I said niether party can see the forest for the trees, they are misguided. But to blame one, is to ignore the fact that both sides put party over country.

Edit 2: We aren't disagreeing, I just don't see the point in pointing fingers in only one direction. That seems more biased in my opinion.
 
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Watchmen

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Premium Member
I don't see how the investigations are particularly hindering to anyone's (Dem or Rep) policy decision making, they are separate legal matters (and running the course of our checks and balances system). Again, the only thing I am reading is you now trying to skirt the fact that I called you out for blaming Democrats. Inversely I'd call someone out blaming Republicans the same way, had they commented too me. Politics has moved beyond parties at this point, and needs to stand up to the merits and policies of the individual in each position.

Edit: You asked for substance, that's why I critiqued his policies. You may also note I said niether party can see the forest for the trees, they are misguided. But to blame one, is to ignore the fact that both sides put party over country.

Edit 2: We aren't disagreeing, I just don't see the point in pointing fingers in only one direction. That seems more biased in my opinion.
*shrug*
I’m not pointing fingers. I’m asking for substance. I guess we’ll just disagree as to what I intend by my own posts.
 

The Hammer

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*shrug*
I’m not pointing fingers. I’m asking for substance. I guess we’ll just disagree as to what I intend by my own posts.

If you'd like to clarify what you mean by hindering effective policy making, I'd love to hear it. But as it stands you've pointed fingers without actually saying what the problem is. I can say Republicans are hindering policy making all day, but I'm making empty claims if I don't explain how. You have yet to do that, other then the generic response about "investigations." How are the investigations hindering policy making? I don't pay attention to the political theatrics.
 

Watchmen

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Premium Member
If you'd like to clarify what you mean by hindering effective policy making, I'd love to hear it. But as it stands you've pointed fingers without actually saying what the problem is. I can say Republicans are hindering policy making all day, but I'm making empty claims if I don't explain how. You have yet to do that, other then the generic response about "investigations." How are the investigations hindering policy making? I don't pay attention to the political theatrics.
Whenever I turn on the news I hear about holding Barr in contempt, subpoenaing Trump’s tax records, impeaching Trump and so on. I’d rather the Dems spend their energy on the issues: immigration; healthcare; and so on. I’m sure they do some of this, but the emphasis is off. They’re not going to win me over with their current political tactics.
 

The Hammer

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Whenever I turn on the news I hear about holding Barr in contempt, subpoenaing Trump’s tax records, impeaching Trump and so on. I’d rather the Dems spend their energy on the issues: immigration; healthcare; and so on. I’m sure they do some of this, but the emphasis is off. They’re not going to win me over with their current political tactics.

Ditto for me. So, I stopped turning on the TV (years ago). I don't expect much more then poo flinging from either party (as a whole), so I ignore the partisanship, and focus on candidates and issues I agree with. I don't expect the "parties" to ever have my interests in heart; I just wish these days they had the country's in mind (they need to learn to cooperate amongst each other, before policies will get passed). Now, I don't disagree with investigating Trump's taxes personally though. On the standpoint that I held a Top Secret security clearance and had all of my finances and taxes investigated (it's to make sure you aren't blackmail-able, not condemnation), so I hold the president (all of them) to a similar standard.
 
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