Spartan
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Whistle for it.
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Evil
- Thread starter InChrist
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Whistle for it.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I'd be whistling for a long time.....
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Richard Dawkins: “What do I think about God? The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” – Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
Ravi Zacharias responds: “Now, he (Dawkins) just finished telling us God’s a fictional character! That’s half of the point. The other half of the point is what he thinks about humanity. He goes on to say that basically, he believes in the goodness of humanity without God watching over. Either I’m confused or he is. If God doesn’t exist and all these descriptions apply, then who did these things? Who wrote the Old Testament if God didn’t inspire the words? That would be his answer. And who ordered all these things? That would be humanity. Why are you (Dawkins) so positive about humanity and so down on God when it was humanity who manufactured the God that you deny?” And who killed all those people throughout history – hundreds of millions of them, if God is fictional? It was humanity. And you – Dawkins – believe humanity is ‘good’! Atheists….
By the way, according to the Bible, without God you wouldn't even be breathing today.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
"Those people on the outside; they don't know evil." - Shawcross
I tend to agree, as we can only speculate and we don't know it like those who live it. We can label actions as good and debate if they are evil or not, but fortunately most of us do not have to actually know it.
I tend to agree, as we can only speculate and we don't know it like those who live it. We can label actions as good and debate if they are evil or not, but fortunately most of us do not have to actually know it.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Was this yours? "Wait a minute, so God has no choice but to make a world in which humans can choose good or evil rather than making them with a perfectly good nature because He wouldn't be loving if He didn't?"
So you want God to make pre-programmed robots who can only do good instead of creating people with free will to make their own choices? Not a good idea.
Why is it a bad idea if the world wouldn't have as much evil as it does now?
Why? If God determines what is moral, can't He make it so that creating people without free will isn't evil?
So what? God is preprogrammed to love and has no choice but to love humans. He can't hate humans so why is not being able to do evil a bad thing?
That's special pleading isn't it? God has no free will but to love humans and there's nothing wrong with that but if we humans were to not have free will but to love God and others, there's something wrong. That makes no sense.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
The premise of your question is faulty.
"Evil" is NOT part of, or a "corruption" of something physical. Evil is most often defined as some malicious thought/intent to do something harmful to some object, living creature, or most commonly to someone else.
So an earthquake, flood, tornado, bridge collapsing, etc, is not an "evil" act, they just happen. And nobody made them happen.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
The premise of your question is faulty.
"Evil" is NOT part of, or a "corruption" of something physical. Evil is most often defined as some malicious thought/intent to do something harmful to some object, living creature, or most commonly to someone else.
So an earthquake, flood, tornado, bridge collapsing, etc, is not an "evil" act, they just happen. And nobody made them happen.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Good point.
This is something I have been thinking about a lot lately, mostly because of so much growing division and hatred in America.
Now the way I've always looked at life is to get the most out of this grand experience of life as possible. So even when just a child I contemplated a great deal upon who "I" was, then defined how "I" wanted to live my life on my terms. Most of which revolved around experiencing all that I could and putting back as much "good works" into this world as I could.
So I just cannot fathom why anyone would want to spent their lives so consumed with hating some group of people or another, wishing or actually doing violence to them, ranting and raving about how "evil" they think they are, etc. To me that's a miserable way to exist. They are doing more harm to themselves by keeping up such rage and hatred bottled up inside of them, then they probably are to anyone else.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Maybe they have so much hate within them, because they can not see that we are all the same. we are all in human body. Or put in a different way. We are all beings. But some people have a lot of attachments to who they are, nationality and to skin color.
InChrist
Free4ever
Maybe you didn't read the entire article. I don't think earthquakes, tornadoes, tooth decay or rusty metal is evil. I believe those were only given in the article as physical examples of the spiritual reality when corruption of something good occurs due to sinful or malicious intent.