That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Kangaroo Feathers · May 17, 2019

MJFlores said:
That is your opinion

... as evidenced by your own extremely disrespectful words.

Kangaroo Feathers · May 17, 2019

Zita said:
well,we say God makes no mistakes, right? Then what about those people who say they were born homosexual because every since they could remember they we attracted to the same sex or those kids who say they are living in the wrong body that they are only attracted to same sex and feel frustrated by it all. I myself don't think God feels the way the bible says anyway!! cause I'm among the ones who feel the bible is a fictional storybook; but If you go by the bible and read all the things that knock you out of going to heaven ;no would go to heaven.

The Bible doesn't say there's anything wrong with being homosexual.

MJFlores · May 17, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Tell me, do you have marriage equality in the Philippines or are gays discriminated against? How much discrimination is there against gay people in general?

Like in any democratic process, laws are passed by the Congress - the house of Representatives and the Senate.
That is their duty, not mine to pass laws that is appropriate for the entire nation.

The Philippines is ranked as one of the most gay-friendly nations in Asia.[2] The country ranked as the 10th-most gay-friendly in a 2013 global survey covering 39 countries, in which only 17 had majorities accepting homosexuality. Titled "The Global Divide on Homosexuality", the survey conducted by the Pew Research Center showed that 73% of adult Filipinos agreed with the statement that "homosexuality should be accepted by society", up by nine percentage points from 64% in 2002. The main reasons for the high percentage of LGBT acceptance in the Philippines are (1) the archipelago's historic point of view and respect to gender-shifting and non-based gender roles before the 12th century which have been inputted in indigenous cultures prior to Islamization and Christianization and (2) the current public mediums (television, writings, radio, and social media) that have set a spotlight on the sufferings of countless LGBT Filipinos in their own country due to colonial-era and colonial-inspired religions
LGBT rights in the Philippines - Wikipedia

LGBT rights in the Philippines

Philippines
Status Legal
Gender identity Transgender people not allowed to change legal gender
Military Gays, lesbians and bisexuals allowed to serve openly since 2009
Discrimination protections None at the national level but many anti-discrimination ordinances exist at the local government level.
Family rights
Recognition of relationships None
Restrictions The Family Code of the Philippines defines marriage as "a special contract of permanent union between a man and a woman". The Constitution of the Philippines does not prohibit same-sex marriage.[1]
Adoption Allowed for individuals but not allowed for same-sex couples.

LGBT culture in the Philippines - Wikipedia

Subduction Zone · May 17, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
... as evidenced by your own extremely disrespectful words.

what is interesting is how prejudice is a factor in the spreading of HIV. In the U.S. blacks are outnumbered by whites by at least five to one, yet there are more new back HIV cases than white ones:

HIV in the United States and Dependent Areas | Statistics Overview | Statistics Center | HIV/AIDS | CDC

I do believe that there is more of a stigma associated with homosexuality in the black community and that causes more promiscuity.

Subduction Zone · May 17, 2019

MJFlores said:
Like in any democratic process, laws are passed by the Congress - the house of Representatives and the Senate.
That is their duty, not mine to pass laws that is appropriate for the entire nation.

The Philippines is ranked as one of the most gay-friendly nations in Asia.[2] The country ranked as the 10th-most gay-friendly in a 2013 global survey covering 39 countries, in which only 17 had majorities accepting homosexuality. Titled "The Global Divide on Homosexuality", the survey conducted by the Pew Research Center showed that 73% of adult Filipinos agreed with the statement that "homosexuality should be accepted by society", up by nine percentage points from 64% in 2002. The main reasons for the high percentage of LGBT acceptance in the Philippines are (1) the archipelago's historic point of view and respect to gender-shifting and non-based gender roles before the 12th century which have been inputted in indigenous cultures prior to Islamization and Christianization and (2) the current public mediums (television, writings, radio, and social media) that have set a spotlight on the sufferings of countless LGBT Filipinos in their own country due to colonial-era and colonial-inspired religions
LGBT rights in the Philippines - Wikipedia

LGBT rights in the Philippines

Philippines
Status Legal
Gender identity Transgender people not allowed to change legal gender
Military Gays, lesbians and bisexuals allowed to serve openly since 2009
Discrimination protections None at the national level but many anti-discrimination ordinances exist at the local government level.
Family rights
Recognition of relationships None
Restrictions The Family Code of the Philippines defines marriage as "a special contract of permanent union between a man and a woman". The Constitution of the Philippines does not prohibit same-sex marriage.[1]
Adoption Allowed for individuals but not allowed for same-sex couples.

LGBT culture in the Philippines - Wikipedia

If you want to combat HIV you need to support the rights of gays to marry the one that they love. Right now your country supports gay promiscuity.

Muffled · May 17, 2019

I believe it is because it is a perversion just as doing unholy things in a holy sanctuary is a perversion of religion. Both are called abominations.

Muffled · May 17, 2019

Stanyon said:
The God of Abraham is a self hating homosexual that doesn't like lesbians.

I believe that statement is false. It has no basis in reality.

Muffled · May 17, 2019

AT-AT said:
As a person who has had a couple of male relationships as well as even more female ones... Man, you are making it hard for me not to insert my sense of humor on what seems to be a serious question.

I believe you are saying that you have sinned. So are you as a sinner going to teach us righteousness? Or do we just get to laugh?

Subduction Zone · May 17, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe that statement is false. It has no basis in reality.

That seems to contradict your prior post.

columbus · May 17, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Isn't it funny that your strawman version if God is so similar to the directly interventionist one the Creationists so firmly believe in? What part of "we can't understand his reasons" isn't clear here?

The part where Christians go on to describe God in excruciating detail.
It isn't just creationists who do that.

Even very modern "liberal" Christians will claim that God loves me and things like that. Making claims that aren't merely unevidenced, but quite contradict the evidence that I do have.
Tom

Kangaroo Feathers · May 17, 2019

columbus said:
The part where Christians go on to describe God in excruciating detail.
It isn't just creationists who do that.

Even very modern "liberal" Christians will claim that God loves me and things like that. Making claims that aren't merely unevidenced, but quite contradict the evidence that I do have.
Tom

I'm not telling you what to believe.

BilliardsBall · May 17, 2019

columbus said:
In case you hadn't noticed, I strongly oppose elective abortions. You can find my many posts in practically any RF thread with abortion in the title.

I am more of a prolifer than most Christians. I firmly oppose anybody choosing death for someone else. Not only Christians and the unborn.

"Assault fundamentalists"? Seriously?
I live in a state that used to have Mike Pence for governor. I've been under assault by such fundamentalists for my entire adult life. Fighting back is not assault.
Tom

ETA ~Here is an essay that does a good job of expressing my anti-feticide beliefs.

Yes, There Are Pro-Life Atheists Out There. Here’s Why I’m One of Them
~

Thanks for reminding me of your stance on life, which I appreciate.

BilliardsBall · May 17, 2019

Dan Mellis said:
1. Babies? Thats an attempt at smuggling in a mental picture of a baby thats been born. Foetus is the accurate term. What about the rights of the women who would suffer without roe v wade.

2. I do protest that. Injustice is injustice. Its as disgusting as if it were gays being killed.

3. Poor fundamentalists. Perhaps if they didnt attempt to legislate their beliefs and impose them on others, or discriminate against lgbt groups, or actively promote misogyny and slavery, we'd lay off a bit.

1. I saw a pregnant mother yesterday and told her "What a blessing!" and not "Sorry about your internal parasite!"

2. "Injustice is injustice", as you put it, does not describe the difference between your advocacy for genital pleasure between consenting adults, and my advocacy for letting humans live and not die, and not just live sexually.

3. So it's okay to assault people who "legislate their beliefs"? You don't vote for legislators who "legislate YOUR beliefs"?

BilliardsBall · May 17, 2019

A Vestigial Mote said:
Red herrings all the way. You naively suggest that one topic can't be of concern to an individual until other topics have also been covered off on. This is exactly what happens when I bring up animal cruelty in slaughterhouses and someone asks "well what about homeless vets?" or "what about Asian sweat-shop workers and the pain and suffering that goes into those products you may buy?" It is a tactic used by idiots who apparently can't tell the difference between one issue and another. It is a distraction tactic, often used to point the subject at hand away from the person's own guilt in the matter that was actually being discussed. You should stop doing this sort of thing... just some intellectual advice because what you have done is decidedly lacking a display of any sort of intelligence - and I noticed you managed to do it about 5 or 6 times. Bravo.

If you can't individuate genital pleasures from murdering living humans, which one of us is the "idiot who cannot tell the difference between issues" as you put it?

BilliardsBall · May 17, 2019

Father Heathen said:
Fetuses/embryos lack the attributes that define personhood, so no. Even the bible considered induced miscarriage a fineable offense rather than an "eye for an eye" death sentence.

What a silly strawman. No one has condoned such atrocities. Of course the civilized world condemns it.

How exactly are fundamentalists being "persecuted" and "discriminated" against? I think what you see as "persecution/discrimination" is actually just the feeling of butthurt from fundamentalists no longer having the power to deny others their rights and freedoms.

When does the foetus/embryo become a baby, do you think?

columbus · May 17, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
I'm not telling you what to believe.

The result being that you don't actively work to push me away from Jesus, the way many Christians do.

I guess that's a victory, of sorts. I would think that a Person of God, like the Holy Ghost, could inspire something a little more positive. But apparently, there is no Holy Ghost who cares that much.
Tom

columbus · May 17, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
When does the foetus/embryo become a baby, do you think?

At conception.

Why don't "prolifer" Christians support efforts to prevent both abortions and badly raised children? Like age appropriate sex ed and access to effective birth control?

Tell me that.
Tom

columbus · May 17, 2019

RESOLUTION said:
God is the one who says stealing, adultery and homosexuality is wrong.

God never said that to me. Nothing remotely like such.

People do. Sometimes they claim to be speaking for God. But human beings claiming to be God's official spokespersons don't impress me much.

Because God is far beyond human comprehension. But humans who can't support their biases and opinions are not.
Tom

Subduction Zone · May 17, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
1. I saw a pregnant mother yesterday and told her "What a blessing!" and not "Sorry about your internal parasite!"

2. "Injustice is injustice", as you put it, does not describe the difference between your advocacy for genital pleasure between consenting adults, and my advocacy for letting humans live and not die, and not just live sexually.

3. So it's okay to assault people who "legislate their beliefs"? You don't vote for legislators who "legislate YOUR beliefs"?

Do you realize that even the Bible is okay with abortions, providing that the mother cheated on her husband and it is the husband and not the wife that wants the abortion?

columbus · May 17, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
Thanks for reminding me of your stance on life, which I appreciate.

What about the rest of my post?

Like where I pointed out that I am much more Pro-Life than most evangelical Christians.
Tom

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