• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Anti-Racism, Privilege and Non-Racism

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Supposing you were wanting to hire for
a position that required that the person
be utterly reliable about showing up on time.

Your two applicants are someone from a local
Indian reservation, and a Japanese.

That would be a toughie...I've heard Native Americans tell me about "Reservation time"...

Still I'd have to take them at their word and look at how long they held positions with similar requirements in the past. I could just as well cast suspicion on parents of young school children or single parents of the same.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Supposing you were wanting to hire for
a position that required that the person
be utterly reliable about showing up on time.

Your two applicants are someone from a local
Indian reservation, and a Japanese.

Well, even then, one would still have to know more about them. Not all Japanese are as diligent or hard-working as the stereotype would suggest. Likewise, not all Native Americans operate on "Indian time."
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well, even then, one would still have to know more about them. Not all Japanese are as diligent or hard-working as the stereotype would suggest. Likewise, not all Native Americans operate on "Indian time."

Come now, I assumed I would not need to write in
that "all other things apparently equal".

But you got the idea, we assume extreme punctuality
for japanese and the opposite for native americans.

The racial-cultural stereotypes come immediately to mind,
and you know that they would average out to being
accurate.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
That would be a toughie...I've heard Native Americans tell me about "Reservation time"...

.

It is ok,you got the idea. If reservation time, and
the prevalence of alcoholism v a culture of
meticulous punctuality did not exist and were not
an issue, nobody would think about it, let alone
say it is a tough one.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Supposing you were wanting to hire for
a position that required that the person
be utterly reliable about showing up on time.

Your two applicants are someone from a local
Indian reservation, and a Japanese.

This is a good example of how racist people think, they don't judge people on their individual merits, they judge them based on their race.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
There may be such a thing as "white culture," but the term seems an oversimplification when looking at the wide variety of European cultures which have migrated to our shores. It's an amalgamation of various cultures.

I'm not sure where the term "white culture" originated. Perhaps it's a consequence of America's history of racism and segregation where dual cultures, "white culture" and "black culture," developed side by side even if they were artificially segregated. Both cultures would be part of the overall "American culture," which also seems to mystify some folks.

Yes, certainly we see a lot of differentiation among whites regarding their European ethnicity but there is still something to be said for the existence of a more or less melted down white culture in the U.S. and maybe also in Europe (wouldn't know personally). White supremicist and nationalist groups are those who probably are most concerned with defining that. We can see how predominantly European American groups dominated politics and how Native Americans and African Americans (once they became actual citizens and other ethic groups were differentiated with respect to opportunity and social inclusivity beyond simple differences in cultural practices. It was not individual merit based discrimination but group identity based discrimination.

I have many instances to consider how "oversimplification" is a necessary evil when discussing almost any topic. It can be used as a rationalization for distancing one's self from any difficult topic. But it is also a good line of discussion (to explore the oversimplifications) for most topics.

There is an extensive wikipedia article on it...

Color terminology for race - Wikipedia

Wouldn't hurt me to read it...
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Obviously there is no simple way to work
out how to do race / ethnicity / culture differences.

Though we may find some who think they have it all figured.

Those among us who think they occupy some
sort of moral high ground... for example:

All ya gotta do to be **wonderful*** is to join the
white saviour industrial complex, and denounce
"white privilege" and your are in!

Of course, ya gotta be white to do that.

Along the way you can pretend that "some
of your best friends...".

And that you never even notice if someone
appears to be from India, or Latin America,
or SE Asia.

That a way, if you visit a Japanese home, you
can walk right in with your street shoes,
not even noticing that they have straight black
hair and a distressed look on their faces.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Start with that I think Han Chinese
are special.

Nope. Not racist as far as I'm concerned.

Now, if I heard that the new hire
on the physics faculty was am Australian
aborinonie, or Yananmo Indian, I
would be astonished.

Would you? Is that racist?

I guess that would depend on how you came to that conclusion. Do you not like Yananmo Indians or Australian Aborigines because of their race, or would you be astonished because you have knowledge that not many of them have training in physics?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Nope. Not racist as far as I'm concerned.



I guess that would depend on how you came to that conclusion. Do you not like Yananmo Indians or Australian Aborigines because of their race, or would you be astonished because you have knowledge that not many of them have training in physics?

I certainly have no liking, nor dislike.

I wish them well.

IF the new hire is Jewish, Chinese, or, say,
German, yeah. No surprise.

But anyone would notice-and be surprised-
if the new person happened to be an African
Pygmy, say.

And who would not want to hear their story!!

What could be more phony and tiresome than
some wonderful pc-er, who pretended not to notice
anything different.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
if the new person happened to be an African
Pygmy, say.

Now that would be a person I would want to talk to. Especially if they were raised in Africa. I know Some folks from Kenya and South Africa, but I've never met a Pygmy.

What could be more phony and tiresome than
some wonderful pc-er, who pretended not to notice
anything different.

That would be funny.
 

Zita

Solitary Eclectic Witch
Well, I read as many as I could to see exactly what people are thinking, personally I can't say for certain what she really meant in the video it could be taken many ways. As for me I am an "Afro- American female" who grew up in a predominately white town, I was really confused because a lot of my classmates called me names and picked on me, my mom and dad were people who interacted with Caucasians everyday and respected them as people not a race, so that's how I was being raised,I was so hurt to find out not all people were like my mom and dad, and that the names they were calling me were racist names!!
It was at that time, my parents had to sit down and have a talk with me about the unpleasant reality of racism and what I may face growing up in this world.I learned to try to ignore the ones who were treating me bad because of my ethic background,and continue to have friends that treated me as a human being as they were,however; I must admit once I grew up and had my sons I told them they should date within their race because it's a cruel world out there and still a lot of racist people who would possibly treat them wrong or heaven forbid hurt them!! I didn't say it out of hate but love.Was I wrong for telling them that? yes, I was! and thank goodness my middle son didn't let that stop him from falling in love with a Caucasian girl and I now have 2 bi-racial grandsons and another grandson due in November. I couldn't love her and the kids no more then I do, they are blessings.I almost missed out on that blessing because of how I had been treated at different times by racist people. It does exist ,we have to know that,but we don't have to let it affect those of us who are not.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
And to pick on and blame 'whites' should be as bad as blaming any other skin colour.

She's wrong.

The cognitive dissonance is so astounding in this thread.

The dang lady in that hearing was talking about white supremacy and a rise in violence because of it. If you equate white supremacy to white people then maybe you have some Freudian issues going on.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Well, I read as many as I could to see exactly what people are thinking, personally I can't say for certain what she really meant in the video it could be taken many ways. As for me I am an "Afro- American female" who grew up in a predominately white town, I was really confused because a lot of my classmates called me names and picked on me, my mom and dad were people who interacted with Caucasians everyday and respected them as people not a race, so that's how I was being raised,I was so hurt to find out not all people were like my mom and dad, and that the names they were calling me were racist names!!
It was at that time, my parents had to sit down and have a talk with me about the unpleasant reality of racism and what I may face growing up in this world.I learned to try to ignore the ones who were treating me bad because of my ethic background,and continue to have friends that treated me as a human being as they were,however; I must admit once I grew up and had my sons I told them they should date within their race because it's a cruel world out there and still a lot of racist people who would possibly treat them wrong or heaven forbid hurt them!! I didn't say it out of hate but love.Was I wrong for telling them that? yes, I was! and thank goodness my middle son didn't let that stop him from falling in love with a Caucasian girl and I now have 2 bi-racial grandsons and another grandson due in November. I couldn't love her and the kids no more then I do, they are blessings.I almost missed out on that blessing because of how I had been treated at different times by racist people. It does exist ,we have to know that,but we don't have to let it affect those of us who are not.

Welcome! Thank you for sharing your story. It is nice that we can gain another African-American's perspective on the issue and not just mine alone.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Can I, for the sake of discussion remind people that Ms. Susan Bro in the video was not talking about white people. She was talking about white supremacy and violence coming from white supremacy. If you happen to equate white supremacy with white people I think you may want to re-examine your line of thinking.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Now that would be a person I would want to talk to. Especially if they were raised in Africa. I know Some folks from Kenya and South Africa, but I've never met a Pygmy.



That would be funny.

Wouldn't that be interesting?

I like having the chance to meet people
of different nations and cultures. Such
a shame if there were not those differences!
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well, I read as many as I could to see exactly what people are thinking, personally I can't say for certain what she really meant in the video it could be taken many ways. As for me I am an "Afro- American female" who grew up in a predominately white town, I was really confused because a lot of my classmates called me names and picked on me, my mom and dad were people who interacted with Caucasians everyday and respected them as people not a race, so that's how I was being raised,I was so hurt to find out not all people were like my mom and dad, and that the names they were calling me were racist names!!
It was at that time, my parents had to sit down and have a talk with me about the unpleasant reality of racism and what I may face growing up in this world.I learned to try to ignore the ones who were treating me bad because of my ethic background,and continue to have friends that treated me as a human being as they were,however; I must admit once I grew up and had my sons I told them they should date within their race because it's a cruel world out there and still a lot of racist people who would possibly treat them wrong or heaven forbid hurt them!! I didn't say it out of hate but love.Was I wrong for telling them that? yes, I was! and thank goodness my middle son didn't let that stop him from falling in love with a Caucasian girl and I now have 2 bi-racial grandsons and another grandson due in November. I couldn't love her and the kids no more then I do, they are blessings.I almost missed out on that blessing because of how I had been treated at different times by racist people. It does exist ,we have to know that,but we don't have to let it affect those of us who are not.

Really, that just makes my blood boil,the pick on and
call names thing. I am sorry you went through that,
and hope hope hope it is getting less and less common
now.

Like the way smoking is disgraceful, now, not fashionable.

I have experienced some racism myself, from "do you
speak English" and from my slight accent, "i want to
talk to someone who speaks English" to people who
wont speak to me at all, or tell me to go homel

But really, nothing compared to what you have
experienced.

Sigh.

Best not to let blood boil, those are only the low
class who act like that.

Thanks for posted what you wrote.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I like having the chance to meet people
of different nations and cultures.

As do I. My life has been enriched by getting to know people from different cultures. Lately, my town has had many young people from Nepal move in to attend college here. I have learned so much about their country from them. I presently have a standing invitation to visit Nepal with one of the students. If only my job would allow the time. I would love to go hiking there.
 
Top