SAT adversity score

Enoch07 · May 16, 2019

Here's the story: SAT to Give Students ‘Adversity Score’ to Capture Social and Economic Background

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These new "adversity scores" are only used by colleges while reviewing students applications.

A prime example of the racism of low expectations - Wiktionary.

Why is this not treated as the racism that it is?

Stanyon · May 16, 2019

I don't see it as racism, I see it as an opportunity for people of all colours to be able to pay exorbitant tuitions at exclusive schools rather than getting a much cheaper education elsewhere that get's the same results- HOORAY for diversity!

Your Elite School Is Not Worth The Cost, Studies Say
For some maybe it's some type of status thing "my kid is going to (insert college name here)!"

Watchmen · May 16, 2019

Stanyon said:
I don't see it as racism, I see it as an opportunity for people of all colours to be able to pay exorbitant tuitions at exclusive schools rather than getting a much cheaper education elsewhere that get's the same results- HOORAY for diversity!

Your Elite School Is Not Worth The Cost, Studies Say
For some maybe it's some type of status thing "my kid is going to (insert college name here)!"

Good point!

Daemon Sophic · May 16, 2019

Stanyon said:
I don't see it as racism, I see it as an opportunity for people of all colours to be able to pay exorbitant tuitions at exclusive schools rather than getting a much cheaper education elsewhere that get's the same results- HOORAY for diversity!

Your Elite School Is Not Worth The Cost, Studies Say
For some maybe it's some type of status thing "my kid is going to (insert name here)!"

Yup. I have a family member who went off to a pleasant little college in a small town, and he is now a VERY well-to-do corporate (and sometimes anti-corporate) lawyer.

Watchmen · May 16, 2019

My wonderful, left wing, university attending daughter texted me about this earlier today. Here’s her text:

It’s interesting, they’re trying to add an “adversity score” to the SAT. So colleges can see how a students race, community crime rate, family income, family environment and stuff may have negatively impacted their education causing their score to be low. I see where they’re coming from but I don’t think that’s the right answer :/ it doesn’t really make sense ???

I get they’re trying to “even out the playing field” and give lower income students a higher chance of attending more competitive colleges, but it penalizes families who have worked hard to earn a higher income, or be able to send their child to a better high school.

And it could also cause kids with higher adversity scores to not try as hard on the SAT because they know that their income, race, home life will boost their chances of getting into colleges. I don’t know, it’s just weird ??? Doesn’t seem like a smart solution.

Enoch07 · May 16, 2019

Why stop there. Why not just avg the GPA of students then? You've got a 4.0 GPA your classmate has a 2.0 GPA so let's just avg it out, both students now have a 3.0 GPA. I'm sure no young liberal students would protest. I mean you worked hard for a 4.0, your buddy barely studied so it only make sense you both have the same score!

sayak83 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Here's the story: SAT to Give Students ‘Adversity Score’ to Capture Social and Economic Background

View attachment 29107

These new "adversity scores" are only used by colleges while reviewing students applications.

A prime example of the racism of low expectations - Wiktionary.

Why is this not treated as the racism that it is?

In India 50% of seats at colleges are reserved for poor people in the lower caste background. It's working well enough. Adversity score is good. It allows true merit to be judged.

Daemon Sophic · May 16, 2019

sayak83 said:
In India 50% of seats at colleges are reserved for poor people in the lower caste background. It's working well enough. Adversity score is good. It allows true merit to be judged.

It is interesting. Sort of like the old soccer player poser.

You’re the soccer team coach, and two new candidates are trying out for the one position you have left to fill.
Player 1 has had the best training, knows all the strategies, even comes with high quality gear.
Player 2 has never seen a “soccer” ball before.
After a little remedial training for Player 2, they both go up against the team, and both do really really well.
Which do you hire?

Twilight Hue · May 16, 2019

The bottom line is observing a society willing to settle for a lesser standard involving less qualified professionals over semantics regarding race and or social status.

It's one hell of a trade-off that's going to have a severe price tag that people are going to have to pay in the end just to feel good about themselves .

Enoch07 · May 16, 2019

sayak83 said:
In India 50% of seats at colleges are reserved for poor people in the lower caste background. It's working well enough. Adversity score is good. It allows true merit to be judged.

I don't have a problem with that. But is it worth sacrificing someone who scored a 1400 on their SAT and could go on to cure cancer or do something great, to give that seat away to someone who scored 900 and might be lucky to get a social science degree?

George-ananda · May 16, 2019

I am thinking that it is not a favor sending someone to a college for which that person is less qualified than his peers. You are increasing his chance for failure actually.

David1967 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Here's the story: SAT to Give Students ‘Adversity Score’ to Capture Social and Economic Background

View attachment 29107

These new "adversity scores" are only used by colleges while reviewing students applications.

A prime example of the racism of low expectations - Wiktionary.

Why is this not treated as the racism that it is?

Hey. White folks are not at the top. How come we get all the white privilege BS thrown at us when Asian folks clearly outperform us. It's them we should be angry at.

sayak83 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
I don't have a problem with that. But is it worth sacrificing someone who scored a 1400 on their SAT and could go on to cure cancer or do something great, to give that seat away to someone who scored 900 and might be lucky to get a social science degree?

A person who scores 900 with hardship is more intelligent than another cracking 1400 with extensive and expensive preparation tuitions. So it the 900 person who is more likely to find that cure for cancer, while the 1400 guy is more likely continue to bank on his networks and become a Wall Street banker.

Enoch07 · May 16, 2019

sayak83 said:
A person who scores 900 with hardship is more intelligent than another cracking 1400 with extensive and expensive preparation tuitions. So it the 900 person who is more likely to find that cure for cancer, while the 1400 guy is more likely continue to bank on his networks and become a Wall Street banker.

You don't really believe that.

Otherwise they would do it based on poverty of the person, not the ethnicity.

I can't speak for Asians.

But I can speak for white folk. There is plenty of white trailer parks full of poor white people scattered through the nation
They are just as poor grow up with the same kind of hardships (single parent raised, drug/physical abuse, prejudice).

So why is not based off each individuals family income instead of ethnicity?

Not all Asians are rich, even though they do earn the most on avg.

Not all Hispanics are poor, even though they are they poorest on avg.

Daemon Sophic · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
You don't really believe that.

Otherwise they would do it based on poverty of the person, not the ethnicity.

I can't speak for Asians.

But I can speak for white folk. There is plenty of white trailer parks full of poor white people scattered through the nation
They are just as poor grow up with the same kind of hardships (single parent raised, drug/physical abuse, prejudice).

So why is not based off each individuals family income instead of ethnicity?

Not all Asians are rich, even though they do earn the most on avg.

Not all Hispanics are poor, even though they are they poorest on avg.

Actually, while I don’t have a subscription to the WSJ, one only has to read the second paragraph of the teaser you cited in the OP.
“....calculated by using 15 factors, including crime rate and poverty levels from the student’s high school and neighborhood....”
This way the measure really is about background hardship that they had to struggle through to get close, rather than race.
And if the past is any source of information, the schools won’t be totally ignoring the SAT scores.

Everything gets weighed in.....again back to the soccer player question.

sayak83 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
You don't really believe that.

Otherwise they would do it based on poverty of the person, not the ethnicity.

I can't speak for Asians.

But I can speak for white folk. There is plenty of white trailer parks full of poor white people scattered through the nation
They are just as poor grow up with the same kind of hardships (single parent raised, drug/physical abuse, prejudice).

So why is not based off each individuals family income instead of ethnicity?

Not all Asians are rich, even though they do earn the most on avg.

Not all Hispanics are poor, even though they are they poorest on avg.

Hardship would include family income and family conditions as well.
Yes, I do believe that. I have seen intelligence poorly correlated with entry test scores in colleges. With correct preparation, its possible to "crack" any test even with average intelligence.

sayak83 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
Here's the story: SAT to Give Students ‘Adversity Score’ to Capture Social and Economic Background

View attachment 29107

These new "adversity scores" are only used by colleges while reviewing students applications.

A prime example of the racism of low expectations - Wiktionary.

Why is this not treated as the racism that it is?

Let's understand something. These large scale tests (SAT etc.) have questions that fall into certain classes and patterns. They can be easily identified as such when you have multiple years of these questions collected (as many tutorial companies do). Once the classes and sub-classes are identified, the process of selecting the correct answer is mostly algorithmic and requires little original thought. In fact, creative thinking is a hindrance for the ultimate objective...score maximization by algorithmic short cuts that eliminate wrong answers quickly and efficiently. That is why we call it "cracking"...like cracking a safe. Asian schools and education culture are very good at this and train children at this type of "cracking" techniques from an early age. Most expensive tuition for SAT etc. also do the same. Once properly trained, even a middlingly creative and intelligent student can do well in these tests, while untutored ones will miss out.

Fact.

Enoch07 · May 16, 2019

sayak83 said:
Hardship would include family income and family conditions as well.
Yes, I do believe that. I have seen intelligence poorly correlated with entry test scores in colleges. With correct preparation, its possible to "crack" any test even with average intelligence.

I've seen it as well.

Just concerned that they did it.by ethnicity instead of hardship.

sayak83 · May 16, 2019

Enoch07 said:
I've seen it as well.

Just concerned that they did it.by ethnicity instead of hardship.

The headline says social and economic background. So poverty considerations will be included as well I believe.

Left Coast · May 16, 2019

The problem with this, like all forms of affirmative action, is that the intervention is way too late in a kid's life. By the time a student is 17 or 18, they've had over a decade of formal education. The quality of that education is not equal for all students, and is almost entirely an accident of their birth: where they were born, into what family, etc. If we actually want equality of opportunity for all students (which conservatives always say they're all about), we need to enact policies ensuring that from the earliest age possible, such as decoupling school funding from property taxes and enacting national education standards.

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