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Belief and Imagination

Workman

UNIQUE
And because of that!..it was God!..who guided me this! And God..is who I will answer to..
Look! I’ve got nothing against you!..I have my reasons of approach, it doesn’t mean anything..other than me showing you my respect of approaching!.if anything I have said that has harmed..my apologies.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
You are not wrong!

Okay. In that case, conversation is futile.

See the thing about language, is that it can only be used to communicate properly when people use it in the same way.

I can use the word "toilet" when I really mean "tavern", but it will only sow confusion when I then say "I'll see you at the toilet".
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
are belief and imagination necessarily a negative thing??

or can they in fact be helpful and healthy?
imagination is the problem solving part of your mind

good luck if you don't have any

belief in what you can rationalize...….?????

good luck if you can't
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That makes zero sense unless you clarify what is being believed or disbelieved.

You yourself disbelieve LOADS of things.

I believe I was speaking in general. No doubt we believe a great many things and disbelieve many things as well. You are right I do not believe the moon is made of green cheese.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
"faith" has the gruesome ability of making people fly airplanes into buildings, while thinking they are actually doing a good thing.

That's what bothers me IMMENSLY about faith. There literaly is NOTHING that you can not believe on "faith".

I believe that was a case of faith in one's own thinking. The idea that they would be rewarded for it is faith in a false interpretation of a religious text.

If a minister preaches something that is contrary to the Bible I don't have to take it on faith that he is right. I can put my faith in God instead and get better results. So I may not end up believing "whatever."
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I believe I was speaking in general. No doubt we believe a great many things and disbelieve many things as well. You are right I do not believe the moon is made of green cheese.
Okay, but then what was the point of your comment aside from stating the obvious that we all believe and disbelieve things?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I believe that was a case of faith in one's own thinking. The idea that they would be rewarded for it is faith in a false interpretation of a religious text.

1. that is true for every religious belief, which always relies on interpretation. You say there's was false. They'll say yours is false. And the both of you will have exactly equal support for your claims.

2. it doesn't matter what the faith is "in". The point is that, on faith, you can believe anything.

If a minister preaches something that is contrary to the Bible I don't have to take it on faith that he is right.

For the sole reason that you've already taken what the bible says........on faith.


I can put my faith in God instead and get better results.

Who's existance you also take on faith.

So I may not end up believing "whatever."

On faith, you CAN believe whatever and what it is that is being believed specifically, is as coincidental as it is arbitrary.

Faith is the excuse people give when they got no actual (or 'valid') reasons for believing something
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I believe that leaves you with very little to believe in.

Yes, because the amount of potential claims that have no evidence are literally infinitie in number, only really limited by people's imagination

Claims that can actually be rationally supported to one extent or another are indeed not like that.

See, I actually think it's important to believe as many accurate things as possible and the least false things possible. And I'm not afraid of withholding belief by saying "i don't know" or "i have no reason to believe you", until proper support is given to justify belief.

Objective evidence in support of claims, seems like the only real way to distinguish true claims from false claims.
 
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