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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Some Mosaic Law and some of the Ten Commandments are based on part of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the negative confessions, which predates the Book of Exodus. .

Book of the Dead: “I have not blasphemed.”
Exodus 20:7: “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain.”

Book of the Dead: “I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.”
Exodus 20:14: “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”

Book of the Dead: “I have not stolen.”
Exodus 20:15: “Thou shalt not steal.”

Moses is mythological, because neither ancient Egyptian history nor the history of ancient rival Egyptian civilizations record any Egyptian dynasty plagued with the deaths of all Egyptian first born sons from any of its generations, a drowning of pharoah's army in the Red Sea, or a mass exodus of Hebrews led by Moses out of Egypt.


Because archaeological evidence suggest the ancient tribes of Israel were always around Canaan and never in Egypt, we have good reason to understand the Jewish Exodus story is mythological.

The Jewish Exodus story is NOT mythical.

Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt


IBSS - Biblical Archaeology - Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

By the way, similarities like you quoted doesn't mean anything was plagiarized. If you think it was YOU have to show the evdience (who specifically plagiarized what, when, where, and in what form?).
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
So love (God is love) is the justification for gay sex being ok? Not in a million years.

If it's all about love then two adulterers in love must be okay too. Nope, not a chance.

For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Leviticus only applies to the ancient tribe of Israel.
Yeah, that's the typical, unsupported excuse, but in as much as the Bible says,

Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever."
and

Psalm 119:89
Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
I don't buy it.

The Apostle Paul writings only applies to the early Church. Nobody nowadays has to follow what Leviticus or Paul has written.
Who says so? You, your church, you religion's theology? Unless it says so in the Bible it doesn't mean bupkis.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
Would a condom count as an adequately safe space between one man's joy stick and another man's sticky anal canal?

Does a man's joy stick covered with a condom block your hypothetical God's gay-dar from detecting a gay man's condom covered penis inside another man's rectum?
Gotta ask your god, but my guess is no.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
1. It's wrong because sex is for reproduction. That is the reason we have sexual organs and reproductive systems.
I assume then that if one is sterile, or infertile, or gone through menopause homosexual sex should be alright. Yet god makes no such exceptions, does he.

2. It's forgiveable, like most sin, so it does not bar anyone from Heaven.
So what. I wasn't addressing any forgiveness, which why I specifically said,

". . . if one engages in homosexual sex god will bar such an unrepentant or ignorant sinner from Heaven."​

Before you ask, yes masturbation, oral, heteroanal sex is a sin as well, and it counts as the same sin as homosexuality as far as I can tell. Better for a man's seed to lie in the belly of a prostitute, than upon the earth.
Then I suggest a course in biology 101 and psychology 101, OR just go to that dictionary thing.

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
God had an impact on the morality of early man way back in Genesis, before Hammurabi.


"but in all truth, such resemblances do not demonstrate that Moses plagiarized Hammurabi’s Code. What the similarities do show is that murder, theft, adultery, and kidnapping are problems in every society and must be addressed. Even today, countries throughout the world have similar laws. Such parallels certainly don’t prove plagiarism."

"The theory that Moses’ Law is simply a rewording of Hammurabi’s has largely been abandoned today, due to the fact that similar law codes, even older than Hammurabi’s, have been found in various other places. These would include the Cuneiform laws, written as early as 2350 B.C.; the Code of Urukagina, 2380 B.C.; the Code of Ur-Nammu, 2050 B.C.; and others."

"In his book Highlights of Archaeology in Bible Lands, Fred Wight writes, “The Mosaic Law gives strong emphasis to the recognition of sin as being the cause of the downfall of a nation. Such a thought is entirely lacking in Hammurabi’s Code. . . . The great fundamental principle of the laws of God in the Hebrew Bible may be summed up in the words: ‘Be ye holy, for I am holy’ [Leviticus 11:45]. Such a principle as this was utterly unknown to the Babylonians as seen in their law code.”

"There is a dramatic difference in perspective between Hammurabi and Moses. One’s focus is horizontal, while the other’s is vertical. Archaeologist Alfred Hoerth, author of Archaeology and the Old Testament, says, “The Old Testament law code is religiously oriented, while others are civil. The Mesopotamians believed the god Shamash gave Hammurabi his law code so people could get along with one another. In the Bible, the law code was given primarily so people could get along with God.”

"This is what sets the Mosaic Law apart from all the other law codes of antiquity: its strong emphasis on spiritual matters."

Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?

And Moses was hardly mythical.
Since the Exodus was mythical it stands to reason that Moses was mythical. There are countless sources that can explain this to you, this one goes into how the story most likely took form:

For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth

It points out what archaeologists have known for some time:

"The Passover narrative is one of the greatest stories ever told. More than any other biblical account, the escape of the enslaved Hebrews from Egypt is the foundational story of the Jewish faith and identity, one that all Jews are commanded to pass on from generation to generation.


Also, it never happened.

For decades now, most researchers have agreed that there is no evidence to suggest that the Exodus narrative reflects a specific historical event. Rather, it is an origin myth for the Jewish people that has been constructed, redacted, written and rewritten over centuries to include multiple layers of traditions, experiences and memories from a host of different sources and periods."

You weaken your case when you believe in the obviously mythical parts of the Bible.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
In as much as the first case of HIV infection as well as first case of AIDS wasn't reported until 1986 in India, god was detesting homosexual sex and send its practitioners to hell for no good reason. Nice guy, this god of yours.

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First case of HIV was from the US

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1980s. April 24, San Francisco resident Ken Horne is reported to the Center for Disease Control with Kaposi's sarcoma (KS). Later in 1981, the CDC would retroactively identify him as the first patient of the AIDS epidemic in the US. He was also suffering from Cryptococcus.


I'm from the Philippines, Skwim
So my answers to you would be based on what I read and what I see on my local TV.

With regard to HIV/AIDS
It probably existed a long time ago
maybe during the ancient times
it would have been discovered if medical sciences were advance, but it was not

Timeline of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

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US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
Certain enteric ailments are particularly common among homosexual men. They are primarily infectious diseases and include not only such common venereal diseases as gonorrhea and syphilis but also infections not usually regarded as being sexually transmitted.
Enteric diseases of homosexual men. - PubMed - NCBI

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The Jewish Exodus story is NOT mythical.

Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

IBSS - Biblical Archaeology - Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

By the way, similarities like you quoted doesn't mean anything was plagiarized. If you think it was YOU have to show the evdience (who specifically plagiarized what, when, where, and in what form?).
I see that you still can't find reliable sources. There is peer review for archaeology too. The odds are overwhelming that if your work did not go through peer review it does not qualify as archaeology.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Since the Exodus was mythical it stands to reason that Moses was mythical. There are countless sources that can explain this to you, this one goes into how the story most likely took form:

For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth

It points out what archaeologists have known for some time:

"The Passover narrative is one of the greatest stories ever told. More than any other biblical account, the escape of the enslaved Hebrews from Egypt is the foundational story of the Jewish faith and identity, one that all Jews are commanded to pass on from generation to generation.


Also, it never happened.

For decades now, most researchers have agreed that there is no evidence to suggest that the Exodus narrative reflects a specific historical event. Rather, it is an origin myth for the Jewish people that has been constructed, redacted, written and rewritten over centuries to include multiple layers of traditions, experiences and memories from a host of different sources and periods."

You weaken your case when you believe in the obviously mythical parts of the Bible.

I can't show Moses as fact or myth. Can you? I'm not interested in stories.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Gotta ask your god, but my guess is no.

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My god is defined as our genetic code's Creator, whom I believe to either be distant extraterrestrial beings or futuristic post humans, with whom I have no channels of communication. ....Hence, my questions to God go unanswered. ....:(
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I can't show Moses as fact or myth. Can you? I'm not interested in stories.

The Moses story would have left massive evidence. When signs of much smaller tribes, by several orders of magnitude, can be found passing through the area but no signs of Moses and his people it tells us that the story was a myth. That along with the history of Egypt. No record of such an event or the plagues either.

Now if you want to have a forty year long stream of endless magic of God only replacing shoes and picking up after a wondering tribe you might have a point, but it seems a rather strange activity for a God that can bother to show himself for the last 2,000 years to do.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
First case of HIV was from the US

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1980s. April 24, San Francisco resident Ken Horne is reported to the Center for Disease Control with Kaposi's sarcoma (KS). Later in 1981, the CDC would retroactively identify him as the first patient of the AIDS epidemic in the US. He was also suffering from Cryptococcus.


I'm from the Philippines, Skwim
So my answers to you would be based on what I read and what I see on my local TV.

With regard to HIV/AIDS
It probably existed a long time ago
maybe during the ancient times
it would have been discovered if medical sciences were advance, but it was not

Timeline of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

View attachment 29064
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
Certain enteric ailments are particularly common among homosexual men. They are primarily infectious diseases and include not only such common venereal diseases as gonorrhea and syphilis but also infections not usually regarded as being sexually transmitted.
Enteric diseases of homosexual men. - PubMed - NCBI

images
Although it doesn't change my point, Thanks for catching my error.

"It is widely believed that HIV originated in Kinshasa, in the Democratic Republic of Congo around 1920 when HIV crossed species from chimpanzees to humans. Up until the 1980s, we do not know how many people were infected with HIV or developed AIDS. HIV was unknown and transmission was not accompanied by noticeable signs or symptoms.

While sporadic cases of AIDS were documented prior to 1970, available data suggests that the current epidemic started in the mid- to late 1970s. By 1980, HIV may have already spread to five continents (North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Australia). In this period, between 100,000 and 300,000 people could have already been infected."

source

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We Never Know

No Slack
My god is defined as our genetic code's Creator, who I believe to either be distant extraterrestrial beings or futuristic post humans, with whom I have no channels of communication. ....Hence, my questions to God go unanswered. ....:(

Is God a who or a what?
Is there only one or more than one?
Is God an ET or an exclusive?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I can't show Moses as fact or myth. Can you? I'm not interested in stories.

Nobody in his right mind would ever seriously consider chasing after any tribe through the parted Red Sea; the split walls of water from the ocean would be too mesmerizing. ...Just Sayin! ....;)
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Is God a who or a what?
Is there only one or more than one?
Is God an ET or an exclusive?

Sorry, for the incorrect grammar, I meant to write "whom I believe" rather than "who I believe". .. I believe "whom" is likely to either be a team of simulators or an advanced extraterrestrial civilization.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Nobody in his right mind would ever seriously consider chasing after any tribe through the parted Red Sea; the split walls of water from the ocean would be too mesmerizing. ...Just Sayin! ....;)

Ahh but those are myths contributed to Moses. You still haven't shown Moses as a myth even if those are false.
 
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