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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
1. It's wrong because sex is for reproduction. That is the reason we have sexual organs and reproductive systems.
It's fascinating that you should say so, because as near as I'm able to determine, the vast majority of sexual encounters among humans on this planet have next to nothing to do with reproduction, and very often include the means to try to prevent that eventuality.

Oh, but of course, you are including in your notion of what "sex is for" the mandate of it's inventor (or should I spell that it's Inventor?)

It's just, you see, that I rather suspect that a huge majority of sexual encounters down here on earth where we live are definitely NOT hoping for children, and a very great number (both gay and straight) occur when that eventuality is impossible (you know, infertile heterosexuals, various placements of the organs involved, and so on...)
2. It's forgiveable, like most sin, so it does not bar anyone from Heaven.
How convenient, as "the Church Lady" might say.
Before you ask, yes masturbation, oral, heteroanal sex is a sin as well, and it counts as the same sin as homosexuality as far as I can tell. Better for a man's seed to lie in the belly of a prostitute, than upon the earth.
Why? He's got more "seed"...way more than enough, and won't stop producing until he dies. Billions and billions of sperm, of which maybe 2 or 3 (or if your Irish, several more) successful impregnations out of likely trillions? What could it be that makes you think that "seed" is so frickin' important (and god forbid it be impotent!)?

What a strange world-view, in my opinion.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I could make a thread but it would be deleted most likely, I encourage you to do some personal research as to the veracity of my claims using governmental agencies as your guide.
Okay, so you're just trolling. Because that claim on its face seems ridiculous. Since you refuse to source it, I'm going to dismiss it. Moving on.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
It's fascinating that you should say so, because as near as I'm able to determine, the vast majority of sexual encounters among humans on this planet have next to nothing to do with reproduction, and very often include the means to try to prevent that eventuality.

What happens now is irrelevant to why sexual organs and reproductive systems exist to begin with.

Take for instance a sword.

Nowadays most swords are decorative and/or symbolic. Some armies and people still use them as tools/weapons. But the vast majority of armies use guns and other modern weapons instead.

That does not change the fact that a sword is a weapon, its original purpose was to be used as a tool/to kill.

So you can argue how sex isn't used mainly to reproduce nowadays, and you'd be correct. But that doesn't change its original purpose. And it is the original purpose that the sin is based upon, and still holds to this day.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What happens now is irrelevant to why sexual organs and reproductive systems exist to begin with.

Take for instance a sword.

Nowadays most swords are decorative and/or symbolic. Some armies and people still use them as tools/weapons. But the vast majority of armies use guns and other modern weapons instead.

That does not change the fact that a sword is a weapon, its original purpose was to be used as a tool/to kill.

So you can argue how sex isn't used mainly to reproduce nowadays, and you'd be correct. But that doesn't change its original purpose. And it is the original purpose that the sin is based upon, and still holds to this day.
I see that you do not understand evolution. Quite often new traits that can become very important traits, evolve out of a preexisting condition. Though reproduction was the original purpose of sex, it has evolved into so much more than that now.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
"... nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus Christ himself condemn homosexuality."

That's not quite true.

Jesus is God in the Bible (many scriptures). As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I see that you do not understand evolution. Quite often new traits that can become very important traits, evolve out of a preexisting condition. Though reproduction was the original purpose of sex, it has evolved into so much more than that now.

If this was a science thread you might have a point. But this is a religious topic so you s.o.l.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
How is it a sin? And if it is a sin then why did God make some people gay?
You are saying God made people homosexual. Obviously, that is based only on your opinion, but not in the scriptures which clearly state it is against God's will. You could just as well say God made pedophiles, thieves, liars, or drunkards, but any such claim is also false. Sin is anything that falls short of God's perfection, which according to the scriptures, the practice of homosexuality does, just as greed, theft. murder, adultery, fornication, or anything other number of sins.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
That's not quite true.

Jesus is God in the Bible (many scriptures). As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

Mosaic law shares many similarities with the code of Hammurabi which are a set a laws established by Babylonian King Hammurabi who ruled Babylon some few hundred years before the Jewish mythological character of Moses was invented.



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Stanyon

WWMRD?
Cute, but no cigar. I'm not doing your work for you. Go troll someone else.

I find it unfortunate you view encouragement to self enlightenment in such a way. Maybe you feel you have a reputation on this forum to uphold which is another matter entirely, I for one do not.
I encourage you to educate yourself on these matters whether or not you broadcast them publicly. I've led you to the water, now it is up to you to drink or not.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Mosaic law shares many similarities with the code of Hammurabi which are a set a laws established by Babylonian King Hammurabi who ruled Babylon some few hundred years before the Jewish mythological character of Moses was invented.



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God had an impact on the morality of early man way back in Genesis, before Hammurabi.
Mosaic law shares many similarities with the code of Hammurabi which are a set a laws established by Babylonian King Hammurabi who ruled Babylon some few hundred years before the Jewish mythological character of Moses was invented.

"but in all truth, such resemblances do not demonstrate that Moses plagiarized Hammurabi’s Code. What the similarities do show is that murder, theft, adultery, and kidnapping are problems in every society and must be addressed. Even today, countries throughout the world have similar laws. Such parallels certainly don’t prove plagiarism."

"The theory that Moses’ Law is simply a rewording of Hammurabi’s has largely been abandoned today, due to the fact that similar law codes, even older than Hammurabi’s, have been found in various other places. These would include the Cuneiform laws, written as early as 2350 B.C.; the Code of Urukagina, 2380 B.C.; the Code of Ur-Nammu, 2050 B.C.; and others."

"In his book Highlights of Archaeology in Bible Lands, Fred Wight writes, “The Mosaic Law gives strong emphasis to the recognition of sin as being the cause of the downfall of a nation. Such a thought is entirely lacking in Hammurabi’s Code. . . . The great fundamental principle of the laws of God in the Hebrew Bible may be summed up in the words: ‘Be ye holy, for I am holy’ [Leviticus 11:45]. Such a principle as this was utterly unknown to the Babylonians as seen in their law code.”

"There is a dramatic difference in perspective between Hammurabi and Moses. One’s focus is horizontal, while the other’s is vertical. Archaeologist Alfred Hoerth, author of Archaeology and the Old Testament, says, “The Old Testament law code is religiously oriented, while others are civil. The Mesopotamians believed the god Shamash gave Hammurabi his law code so people could get along with one another. In the Bible, the law code was given primarily so people could get along with God.”

"This is what sets the Mosaic Law apart from all the other law codes of antiquity: its strong emphasis on spiritual matters."

Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?

And Moses was hardly mythical.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
God had an impact on the morality of early man way back in Genesis, before Hammurabi.

"but in all truth, such resemblances do not demonstrate that Moses plagiarized Hammurabi’s Code. What the similarities do show is that murder, theft, adultery, and kidnapping are problems in every society and must be addressed. Even today, countries throughout the world have similar laws. Such parallels certainly don’t prove plagiarism."

"The theory that Moses’ Law is simply a rewording of Hammurabi’s has largely been abandoned today, due to the fact that similar law codes, even older than Hammurabi’s, have been found in various other places. These would include the Cuneiform laws, written as early as 2350 B.C.; the Code of Urukagina, 2380 B.C.; the Code of Ur-Nammu, 2050 B.C.; and others."

"In his book Highlights of Archaeology in Bible Lands, Fred Wight writes, “The Mosaic Law gives strong emphasis to the recognition of sin as being the cause of the downfall of a nation. Such a thought is entirely lacking in Hammurabi’s Code. . . . The great fundamental principle of the laws of God in the Hebrew Bible may be summed up in the words: ‘Be ye holy, for I am holy’ [Leviticus 11:45]. Such a principle as this was utterly unknown to the Babylonians as seen in their law code.”

"There is a dramatic difference in perspective between Hammurabi and Moses. One’s focus is horizontal, while the other’s is vertical. Archaeologist Alfred Hoerth, author of Archaeology and the Old Testament, says, “The Old Testament law code is religiously oriented, while others are civil. The Mesopotamians believed the god Shamash gave Hammurabi his law code so people could get along with one another. In the Bible, the law code was given primarily so people could get along with God.”

"This is what sets the Mosaic Law apart from all the other law codes of antiquity: its strong emphasis on spiritual matters."

Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?

God had an impact on the morality of early man way back in Genesis, before Hammurabi.


"but in all truth, such resemblances do not demonstrate that Moses plagiarized Hammurabi’s Code. What the similarities do show is that murder, theft, adultery, and kidnapping are problems in every society and must be addressed. Even today, countries throughout the world have similar laws. Such parallels certainly don’t prove plagiarism."

"The theory that Moses’ Law is simply a rewording of Hammurabi’s has largely been abandoned today, due to the fact that similar law codes, even older than Hammurabi’s, have been found in various other places. These would include the Cuneiform laws, written as early as 2350 B.C.; the Code of Urukagina, 2380 B.C.; the Code of Ur-Nammu, 2050 B.C.; and others."

"In his book Highlights of Archaeology in Bible Lands, Fred Wight writes, “The Mosaic Law gives strong emphasis to the recognition of sin as being the cause of the downfall of a nation. Such a thought is entirely lacking in Hammurabi’s Code. . . . The great fundamental principle of the laws of God in the Hebrew Bible may be summed up in the words: ‘Be ye holy, for I am holy’ [Leviticus 11:45]. Such a principle as this was utterly unknown to the Babylonians as seen in their law code.”

"There is a dramatic difference in perspective between Hammurabi and Moses. One’s focus is horizontal, while the other’s is vertical. Archaeologist Alfred Hoerth, author of Archaeology and the Old Testament, says, “The Old Testament law code is religiously oriented, while others are civil. The Mesopotamians believed the god Shamash gave Hammurabi his law code so people could get along with one another. In the Bible, the law code was given primarily so people could get along with God.”

"This is what sets the Mosaic Law apart from all the other law codes of antiquity: its strong emphasis on spiritual matters."

Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?

And Moses was hardly mythical.

Some Mosaic Law and some of the Ten Commandments are based on part of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the negative confessions, which predates the Book of Exodus. .

Book of the Dead: “I have not blasphemed.”
Exodus 20:7: “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain.”

Book of the Dead: “I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.”
Exodus 20:14: “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”

Book of the Dead: “I have not stolen.”
Exodus 20:15: “Thou shalt not steal.”

Moses is mythological, because neither ancient Egyptian history nor the history of ancient rival Egyptian civilizations record any Egyptian dynasty plagued with the deaths of all Egyptian first born sons from any of its generations, a drowning of pharoah's army in the Red Sea, or a mass exodus of Hebrews led by Moses out of Egypt.


Because archaeological evidence suggest the ancient tribes of Israel were always around Canaan and never in Egypt, we have good reason to understand the Jewish Exodus story is mythological.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
it causes the spread of HIV.

God is all knowing
All wise and knew that homosexual sex is dirty and a petri dish of many problems

How common is HIV in the Philippines?
Current status. The Philippines is a low-HIV-prevalence country, with less than 0.1 percent of the adult population estimated to be HIV-positive, but the rate of increase in infections is one of the highest. ... The infection rate among men having sex with men has multiplied 10 times from 2010 to 2015.

HIV/AIDS in the Philippines - Wikipedia

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A total of 38 cases involved minors under 15 years old. With a population of more than 100 million, the number of HIV cases in the Philippines remains low. But in terms of percentage increase, the UN said in August 2017 the country has the fastest growing HIV epidemic in the Asia-Pacific region in recent years.Feb 19, 2018
Philippines: HIV cases up 3,147 percent in 10 years | News
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PHILIPPINES ADDRESSES RISING TREND IN NEW HIV INFECTIONS

A UNAIDS Report on the global HIV epidemic states that the number of new infections in the Philippines has more than doubled in the past six (6) years from an estimated 4,300 in 2010 to an estimated 10,500 in 2016. The Philippines has become the country with the fastest growing HIV epidemic in Asia and the Pacific, and has become one of eight countries that account for more than 85% of new HIV infections in the region.

While the country has the fastest growing epidemic in terms of percentage increase, the number of new infections in the Philippines is not as high as several countries in the region which are estimated to have tens of thousands of new infections annually.

“The Philippines has a small window of opportunity to act now and stop a major HIV epidemic from taking hold,” said Eamonn Murphy, Director UNAIDS Regional Support Team for Asia-Pacific. “If HIV programming is re-directed to focus on the people most at risk and where they are located, I’m sure the country can not only return to a stable situation but even end the AIDS epidemic as a public health threat by 2030.”

The Philippines has retooled its program to expand HIV services for males who have sex with males and transgender women and has opened clinics that cater specifically to their needs in urban areas, where the risk of HIV is higher. The strategy is to focus on 117 cities where 80% of the new infections have been reported and to open in each such city at least one HIV clinic which has convenient evening hours for working people, and is a one-stop shop that provides prevention, counseling, laboratory work-up, and treatment services. These are the Sundown clinics. The government has also taken measures towards enabling rapid HIV screening and delivery of test results.

https://www.doh.gov.ph/node/10649

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In as much as the first case of HIV infection as well as first case of AIDS wasn't reported until 1986 in India, god was detesting homosexual sex and sent its practitioners to hell for no good reason. Nice guy, this god of yours.

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