Trailblazer
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Those verses are not Jesus claiming to be God. If Jesus was God Jesus would have said "I am God" but Jesus never said that.Trailblazer said: Jesus never claimed to be God....
Pete in Panama said: ...Sure he did (from page 64 of this book here)...
A. He who has seen Me has seen the Father. (John 14:9)
B. I and My Father are one. (John 10:30)
C. I am He (the Father). (John 13:19)
D. I am in the Father and the Father in Me. (John 14:11)
E. And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. (John 12:45)Of course you didn't, and at the same time other folks did.
None of those verses mean that Jesus was God in the flesh, they mean that God was perfectly reflected in Jesus and that they were one in purpose.
I go by what Baha'u'llah wrote, not by what I want to believe. What Baha'u'llah wrote is very clear. The Essence of God cannot become a man. That means that Jesus was not the Essence of God in the flesh.
“Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 49
Jesus was not God incarnated in the flesh. Jesus was God manifested in the flesh:
1 Timothy 3:16
King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Reading the entire verse and the verse in context it is clear that the "he" in "I am he" does not refer to the Father. Jesus is not saying he is the Father in that verse.
John 13
18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
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