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False Victimhood

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
When I think of “false victimhood” I think of things like this...
Mike Pence's vulgar mistake about Christianity

Or whites claiming “reverse racism”.
While I won’t deny that occasionally a caucasian may be accosted by a person of another ethnicity simply for being white, the comparison is so minor and fleeting that I would not stoop to calling it ‘racism’.
It would be akin to someone saying, “Yeah. You Jews had it bad in WWII, sort of like when some bullies beat up my cousin.” :eek::facepalm:

As to the OP, it sounds more like someone just clamoring for attention. :rolleyes:
Honestly, there are a lot of black people who are racist against and hateful towards white people and that can lead to harassment, asault or worse. I've been on the receiving end of black racism myself and so had my white mother. That's why I reject the social justice definition of racism which says that only whites can be racist, while proving cover for non-white racism. It just flies in the face of reality and lived experience.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Of course you do.
Your deeply steeped in the culture of victimhood and entitlement.

Does the fact that @Audie suggested it to me as appropriate change anything in your mind? Or are you just determined to be "offended" on her behalf?
Tom

I’m not steeped in victimhood. Me highlighting things that are wrong with society does not by default make me a victim. But aside from that, that word is not socially acceptable regardless whether Audrie thinks it’s okay. She does not speak for all Asians and as far as I’m concerned if I went to a place of worship and I did criminals acts and spray painted the word chink, it would be considered a hate crime.

If I called someone a chink at my job I would get fired if they reported me. Society still holds that word on the same platform as the N-word. It has nothing to do with victimhood it has something to do with correcting ignorance especially from people like you.

You know what bothers me about people like you especially some whites that think like you is, I work with people like you. All these slurs you can say on the internet you never say in public. You try to define what is acceptable for other people of color based off one or two people of that same group. People like you are just cowards and it’s a shame that you don’t have the gall to say what’s on your mind in public.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Honestly, there are a lot of black people who are racist against and hateful towards white people and that can lead to harassment, asault or worse. I've been on the receiving end of black racism myself and so had my white mother. That's why I reject the social justice definition of racism which says that only whites can be racist, while proving cover for non-white racism. It just flies in the face of reality and lived experience.

Racism is not a definition that is defined by black people. The reason why when we discuss racism which usually ends in a black and white discussion is because of the historical implication of racism which has been propagated by European imperial via slavery. This is undeniable. The reactions of African-Americans or black people across the world who exert racist attitudes is wrong but it isn’t “black people” that did that to you, it was THOSE people just as I don’t sentence all whites for the racism I have experienced and the experiences of my grand-parents.

With that being said I think you need to gain some perspective on the issue.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
You know I’m glad over these years I’ve had the pleasure of being on this website and having these discussions especially when it drifts to racial discussions that there are people who still hold racial prejudices. It’s sad but a reality that when some Caucasians who feel comfortable around their own can refer to someone as a “chinkette” and get likes think is appropriate is a signal that this society has more growing.

I think some of you while complaining about black people or racism may want to acknowledge your own implicit racial bias. I mean, I acknowledge mine as someone who has been a victim of systemic racism I recognize that at times in certain instances I have a bias when it comes to the black struggle. But that is entirely different in condoning inappropriate behavior especially racist behavior by black people.

I think for me this is why I challenge the spiritual convictions of you people who call yourselves Jewish, or Muslim, or Christian or Hindu or whatever who believes in a universal deity, a deity that decided to create all different pigments of humans yet you retain these racial convictions that are counter to your faith.

As far as I’m concerned everyone has a story but when you paint an entire people or condone racist epithets you allow racism and racial divisions to persist.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You thought his comment was a winner. Changes my opinion of you. I’m not surprised but it’s a shame.

I just think your overreacting. I am in a mixed marriage. Have been for eight years now. I'm white, my wife is Asian. By your reaction to the good-natured ribbing between @Audie and @columbus you would no doubt think that both my wife and myself are racist the way we (lovingly I might add) tease each other about our respective heritages. Neither of us are racist BTW. I think there are enough issues with race in this country, many of them invented and egged on by people who profit from them, without creating new issues where they doesn't exist.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Racism is not a definition that is defined by black people. The reason why when we discuss racism which usually ends in a black and white discussion is because of the historical implication of racism which has been propagated by European imperial via slavery. This is undeniable. The reactions of African-Americans or black people across the world who exert racist attitudes is wrong but it isn’t “black people” that did that to you, it was THOSE people just as I don’t sentence all whites for the racism I have experienced and the experiences of my grand-parents.

With that being said I think you need to gain some perspective on the issue.
Gain what perspective? I'm going by my own experiences being picked on by black kids in school for being mixed and liking "white people music" (as they put it), a black teacher trying to tell my mom how to take care of me and some of my black relatives violently attacking my mom while yelling racial slurs at her. That's just what I went through. Obviously I'm not saying all black people are like that or all white people or whatever.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Seeing how many many movies and TV series depict us Italians negatively...we should consider ourselves "victims" of outdated stereotypes ..
and yet we couldn't care less....we're too proud of ourselves to care.:p

 

Audie

Veteran Member
I just think your overreacting. I am in a mixed marriage. Have been for eight years now. I'm white, my wife is Asian. By your reaction to the good-natured ribbing between @Audie and @columbus you would no doubt think that both my wife and myself are racist the way we (lovingly I might add) tease each other about our respective heritages. Neither of us are racist BTW. I think there are enough issues with race in this country, many of them invented and egged on by people who profit from them, without creating new issues where they doesn't exist.

Hm. Had to look at ignored posts to see who you
were responding to. Someone who managed to
thoroughly offend me, a long while back. Almost like so
totally ironical.

As for "chink", someone wrote that on my dorm door,
I was crying, so upset and mad. I did track down the
goofy stupid kid who did it, and he certainly apologized.
In public. I am satisfied he did not even mean anything
by it, just, dumb. I felt kinda sorry for him.

IF I say someone can call me a chinkette, they can.
It is nobody else's friggin' biz. The blacks are
always calling each other N***. It they want to, it
is their biz

As for those professional offense finders / takers,
really, to hell with them.

Id far rather face an an honest racist than those
phony creeps.
 
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Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
What? Um, I don't think so. Evidence?
The thing is you have to search on 'Drama Queen' but that is not the actual medical description. It is, however, a change due to neurological changes which teen boys don't experience that affects girls and is the basis for the drama queen scenarios they go through while growing up.

"Mothers can gain some comfort in the biological reasons for the onset of emotionally charged arguments and repeated curfew violations..." taken from "https://www.naturalawakeningsmag.com/Natural-Awakenings/May-2013/Teen-Drama-Queens/"

and also..

"Girls and women are more than two times as likely to experience symptoms of depression than boys and men." taken from "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/having-sex-wanting-intimacy/201404/stop-the-drama-queen-cycle"
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The thing is you have to search on 'Drama Queen' but that is not the actual medical description. It is, however, a change due to neurological changes which teen boys don't experience that affects girls and is the basis for the drama queen scenarios they go through while growing up.

"Mothers can gain some comfort in the biological reasons for the onset of emotionally charged arguments and repeated curfew violations..." taken from "https://www.naturalawakeningsmag.com/Natural-Awakenings/May-2013/Teen-Drama-Queens/"

and also..

"Girls and women are more than two times as likely to experience symptoms of depression than boys and men." taken from "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/having-sex-wanting-intimacy/201404/stop-the-drama-queen-cycle"

Ha. None of that happened to me. :D
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The thing is you have to search on 'Drama Queen' but that is not the actual medical description. It is, however, a change due to neurological changes which teen boys don't experience that affects girls and is the basis for the drama queen scenarios they go through while growing up.

"Mothers can gain some comfort in the biological reasons for the onset of emotionally charged arguments and repeated curfew violations..." taken from "https://www.naturalawakeningsmag.com/Natural-Awakenings/May-2013/Teen-Drama-Queens/"

and also..

"Girls and women are more than two times as likely to experience symptoms of depression than boys and men." taken from "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/having-sex-wanting-intimacy/201404/stop-the-drama-queen-cycle"
Similar things happen to boys due to the hormonal changes of puberty. It's a turbulent time for both sexes.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Hm. Had to look at ignored posts to see who you
were responding to. Someone who managed to
thoroughly offend me, a long while back Almost like
totally ironical.

As for "chink", someone wrote that on my dorm door,
I was crying, so upset and mad. i did track down the
goofy stupid kid who did it, and he certainly apologized.
In public i am satisfied he did not even mean anything
by it, just, stupid. I felt kinda sorry for him.

IF I say someone can call me a chinkette, they can.
It is nobody else's friggin' biz. The blacks are
always calling each other N***. It they want to, it
is their biz

As for those professional offense finders / takers,
really, to hell with them.

Id far rather face an an honest racist than those
phony creeps.
I'll always love and cherish you!

Go kick some more butt bytch.
Tom

PS ~I think you have learned all that @Revoltingest and I can teach you about being a jerk on RF..;)~
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Girls can hide it according to that first article, or there could be situations where it goes unnoticed. It doesn't mean you never went through it.

You would have to speak to my mom about it,
but I think she'd say I was not good about hiding
anything.

AND, we moved to the US when I was like 12, I didnt
want to go, made a point of being sulky and mad about it.

Of course, when I went to middle school, the
fun really started. Do I seem combative sometimes? :D
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
You would have to speak to my mom about it,
but I think she'd say I was not good about hiding
anything.

AND, we moved to the US when I was like 12, I didnt
want to go, made a point of being sulky and mad about it.

Of course, when I went to middle school, the
fun really started. Do I seem combative sometimes? :D
However did a small, non-white, non-Citizen, non-Christian, girl manage to avoid the culture of victimhood?
Maybe because your parents didn't teach you to be a victim?
Tom
 
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