The Second Coming

dingdao · May 13, 2019

Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

InvestigateTruth · May 13, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

Only if the Author of Bible meant those signs to be interpreted literally.

sooda · May 13, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

Poetic license.. not intended to be taken literally.

Thief · May 13, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

I always thought it was a description of what you see...…
after your last breath

He is coming for you

sooda · May 13, 2019

Thief said:
I always thought it was a description of what you see...…
after your last breath

He is coming for you

Lindsay Kennedy: Is Mark 13 About AD70 and the Second ...
https://www.preteristarchive.com/2017_kennedy_is-mark-13-about-ad70-and-the-second-coming
According to Stein, the abomination of desolation was “the actions of the Zealots and their leaders, John of Gischala and Eleazar in A.D. 67-68, who were involved in numerous sacrilegious actions within the temple” Is Mark 13 About AD70 and the Second Coming? By Lindsay Kennedy 2017 One of ...

dingdao · May 13, 2019

sooda said:
Lindsay Kennedy: Is Mark 13 About AD70 and the Second ...
https://www.preteristarchive.com/2017_kennedy_is-mark-13-about-ad70-and-the-second-coming
According to Stein, the abomination of desolation was “the actions of the Zealots and their leaders, John of Gischala and Eleazar in A.D. 67-68, who were involved in numerous sacrilegious actions within the temple” Is Mark 13 About AD70 and the Second Coming? By Lindsay Kennedy 2017 One of ...

While I am a Preterist (Thanks form the link), this would imply the author was pointing at Petronius. Then there is the problem of the falling stars.
My point was that the common interpretation is absurd.

wizanda · May 13, 2019

dingdao said:
The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

Not devoid, just sparse:

Isaiah 10:17-19 The light of Israel will be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame; and it will burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day. (18) He will consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body. It will be as when a standard bearer faints. (19) The remnant of the trees of his forest shall be few, so that a child could write their number.

Isaiah 13:12 I will make people more rare than fine gold, even a person than the pure gold of Ophir.

Revelation 14:1 I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand (Revelation 7:4-8), having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

In my opinion.

sooda · May 13, 2019

wizanda said:
Not devoid, just sparse:

Isaiah 10:17-19 The light of Israel will be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame; and it will burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day. (18) He will consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body. It will be as when a standard bearer faints. (19) The remnant of the trees of his forest shall be few, so that a child could write their number.

Isaiah 13:12 I will make people more rare than fine gold, even a person than the pure gold of Ophir.

Revelation 14:1 I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand (Revelation 7:4-8), having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

In my opinion.

Isaiah 63: A Preterist Commentary | Revelation Revolution
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Isaiah 63: A Preterist Commentary: Summary and Highlights. This chapter opens with a prophecy concerning the second coming. Here Christ’s clothing is stained red from crushing grapes during the grape harvest. These verses were fulfilled in A.D. 66-A.D. 74 during the Israel’s war with Rome which began during the grape harvest. All of Isaiah ...

LightofTruth · May 19, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

The sun, moon and stars are intended to shine day and night. In the case above, the people intended, will have no light. There will be only darkness and sorrow.

kjw47 · May 23, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

Not so. The great multitude will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth. Proverbs 2:21-22,, Matthew 24:22) -- 1914 Jesus sat on his throne( he receives his crown)-Revelation 6 occurred. Peace was taken from the earth. These last days are far along.

Muffled · May 25, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

I believe you are in error.The earth will have temporal survivors after the end.

Muffled · May 25, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Only if the Author of Bible meant those signs to be interpreted literally.

I believe there is no evidence to suggest the interpretation should not be literal.

Muffled · May 25, 2019

wizanda said:
Not devoid, just sparse:

Isaiah 10:17-19 The light of Israel will be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame; and it will burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day. (18) He will consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body. It will be as when a standard bearer faints. (19) The remnant of the trees of his forest shall be few, so that a child could write their number.

Isaiah 13:12 I will make people more rare than fine gold, even a person than the pure gold of Ophir.

Revelation 14:1 I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand (Revelation 7:4-8), having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

In my opinion.

I believe Rev 14:1 is before the end.

InvestigateTruth · May 25, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe there is no evidence to suggest the interpretation should not be literal.

Well, the stars can't find place on earth if they fall! Moreover, what's the point that God makes the stars fall on earth to damage it, especially just when Christ returns! Same as darkening the sun and the moon! What benefit does it have to darken them!

sooda · May 26, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe Rev 14:1 is before the end.

Isaiah 10 is about the prophet picturing the Assyrian power as a forest consumed like thistles and briers by the fire of God.

2ndpillar · Jun 1, 2019

dingdao said:
Mark 13:24-27
"But int those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven,and the powers in the heaven will be shaken.
Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send out his angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, From the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

The last time this happened was the extinction of the dinosaurs. So, the Son of Man plans to set up his kingdom on a desolate earth, devoid of humans.

If "they will see", then one must assume that there is someone left to see. Plus the "elect" will have to be risen from the dead, and will be among those who reign on the earth (Revelation 20:4). As for Israel, there will be a "remnant". As for your everyday "Christian", who have the mark of the beast, they will have prayed for their own death (Revelation 9:6) & (Revelation 14:10).

Muffled · Jun 8, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Well, the stars can't find place on earth if they fall! Moreover, what's the point that God makes the stars fall on earth to damage it, especially just when Christ returns! Same as darkening the sun and the moon! What benefit does it have to darken them!

I believe that may be a mistranslation and heavenly bodies which would include asteroids would fit. Asteroids can fall to earth and we get pieces falling all the time but this is a major even so it must be multiple pieces and bigger ones than the ones we know now.

I believe there is no evidence that Jesus permanently returns and Revelation depicts Jesus back in the sky after coming to earth.

I believe the scripture says those are signs so that is their function.

Muffled · Jun 8, 2019

sooda said:
Isaiah 10 is about the prophet picturing the Assyrian power as a forest consumed like thistles and briers by the fire of God.

I believe you are having a dispensation problem again. Jesus did not exist when Isa 10 was written so your response does not relate at all with Rev 14.

sooda · Jun 8, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe you are having a dispensation problem again. Jesus did not exist when Isa 10 was written so your response does not relate at all with Rev 14.

Isaiah lived 800 years before Christ.. The Scofield Bible was written to promote Christian Zionism.

sooda · Jun 8, 2019

2ndpillar said:
If "they will see", then one must assume that there is someone left to see. Plus the "elect" will have to be risen from the dead, and will be among those who reign on the earth (Revelation 20:4). As for Israel, there will be a "remnant". As for your everyday "Christian", who have the mark of the beast, they will have prayed for their own death (Revelation 9:6) & (Revelation 14:10).

The Jews were divided.. Some colluded with the Romans, others had become Hellenized... The zealots who were fighting Roman occupation considered them apostate.

The followers of Jesus left before the tribulation and went to Pella.

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