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Other nations weigh in on effects of possible US-China trade war

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
New Balance do produce some in China, and Belgium? I think. But I always check the tongues it says where that specific shoe was made. Sometimes it's a pain to find the style you want made in the U.S. but it is what it is.
It looks like they make some in the U.K. but those would be high priced too. At the prices you quoted you were getting Chinese.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
It looks like they make some in the U.K. but those would be high priced too. At the prices you quoted you were getting Chinese.

Nah I assure you they was made in the U.S. it was the whole reason to buy em. If I was at home I'd take a picture of the tongue to show ya, but I'm stuck at work like a nub!
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I seriously doubt it, unless it was some sort of outlet store.

Yeah it is. Off Broadway Shoes, they have sales, discounts, and bogo half off on most of the shoes they have.

Now the last time i bought new shoes like a year and a half ago i didn't buy NB, because i saw a sweet pair of Van's i wanted so i bought them instead. But hey nobody's perfect.:D
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The real underlying problem is connected to the old way, which was based on the Progressive vision of a socialist style free market globalism. Globalism put the once dominant free market US, in a very weak trade position. Trade went in favor of the socialist free market of China. This change went, side by side, with the old green deal; Paris Accords, which only required the US comply, while allowing the growing Chinese economy to be exempt. The US was hog tied.

The US also became a national debt ridden, dumping grounds, for the world's goods, while allowing countries, like China, to ignore green laws, create protectionism, and get away with stealing trade secrets. It smells like the Democrat party.

Under the old socialist globalist policies, it was more cost effective for American manufacturers to leave he US and set up shop overseas, and then sell their goods back to the USA. These incentives to gut US manufacturing were part of the globalist strategy. This may have provided huge golden parachutes, for various globalists leaders, but it led to steady decline in the American middle class.

The time of the rigged big brother world economy is now over, with Trump is trying to restore free and open trade. This means we all need to play by one set of rules, instead of by dual standards and hypocrisy.

China has a choice, to either open up their markets and stop stealing, or else they can expect tariffs and legal actions, to the level the playing field. The higher import prices, due to the tariffs, will allow other smaller players to break into the Chinese export monopoly. Mexico, for example, benefitted by the first wave of tariffs. This will also allow the US to regain manufacturing at home. With Chinese production, about to go down, world raw material prices will fall.

Once the playing filed is level, the US has a lot of private money in off shore accounts, due to the high cost to repatriate this money. This is $trillions. Once the demand for US manufacturing begins, this money will come home. The new big problem will be the demand for labor will exceed the supply and wages will increase. This will be settled with a better immigration policy and more work flexibility for immigrants already here. The Democrats are trying to block everything, since their globalist golden parachutes are dependent on the old ways.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member

Cooky

Veteran Member
U.S.-China trade war: Other countries worry there's "no greater threat" to global economy



Other nations said it could have a serious effect on global trade beyond just the US and China:







I heard some of Trump's comments the other day about how he was just trying to get a better deal from China and that China had been taking advantage of weaker past administrations.

In some ways, I can see his point, especially when looking over the past few decades, some countries are getting incredibly rich, while much of the US population languishes in stagnation and even noticeable decline in many areas. One might well ask: If free trade and globalism doesn't benefit the masses in any measurable, tangible way, why should we do it? What's in it for us?

Some people say it would be "disastrous," but disastrous for whom?

Heck with China. If anything, I'd prefer to have trade with Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia, at least then we could import binturongs as house pets, which act just like dogs.


...They are found in many parts of Southeast Asia... except China... Because they ate them all. :mad:

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Cooky

Veteran Member
A red panda would also be very cool to have as a backyard pet (they're a little rougher)... Just saying.

You know it would only nake sense for these people to breed and export the exotic animals that are otherwise on the brink of extinction.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Yeah it is. Off Broadway Shoes, they have sales, discounts, and bogo half off on most of the shoes they have.

Now the last time i bought new shoes like a year and a half ago i didn't buy NB, because i saw a sweet pair of Van's i wanted so i bought them instead. But hey nobody's perfect.:D
I buy my shoes at the second hand store.
My regular daily shoes are a pair of Everest sandals I paid less than 5 dollars for, I believe that they came from Goodwill.
Tom
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
No as cheaper prices are due to far far far lower wages.

And due to low tariffs.

But it doesn't change my overall point. If it takes 10 hours of work to earn enough money to buy a PC, it doesn't matter if it's $1 per hour or $1000 per hour. Money is just a number. What matters more is how many hours a person works and what they can buy with what they earn.

We could just as easily beat China in wages. We could lower wages to 5¢ per hour, just as long as prices are adjusted accordingly so that workers can purchase the same amount as they did before. But that would mean everything would have to be lowered in price. I'm not actually proposing such a thing, but it's within the realm of possibility.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Products would cost 10 times as much if made in USA, is that progress??

It's a demonstration of progress for U.S. workers. We've come a long way from the days of sweatshops and child labor.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I agree with what you are saying. I'm just not sure this 'sledgehammer' approach is the best option. I think post #5 by @Revoltingest says it best.
Something tells me it's just political maneuvering to negotiate a real price. It's no secret that the United States has been getting the short end of the stick on the foreign trade market for quite a long time now.
 
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