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Creationism/The Earth's Age
- Thread starter Yerda
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There is a difference between anthropocentric and egocentric.NetDoc said:
Egocentricity, lust, anger, insecurity, jealousy, vindictiveness, xenophobia, ..., or just the convenient ones?NetDoc said:
Either you're projecting, or you've discovered the answer to the Problem of Evil: metaphysical thorazine.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Is there now? They both are derived from putting me (or man) at the center. No, they are just ways to muddy up our own indiscretions and insecurities so we don't have to deal with them.
In reality there are two basic emotions: Love and the absense of Love (Hate). All other emotions are permutations of these two.
God is incapable of corrupted emotions. When I hate my brother, I am least like God. I would like to think that there are some emotions which God is incapable of. Not being God nor his equal, I really have no idea and must extrapolate what I do know and understand.
I Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I don't know, and am wondering when you will repent?
BTW, why is it such a great leap to look around us and see God in everything?
I wonder if when recieving a pie, you believe that it "just appeared". No thanks neccesary. But just becasue pies are different doesn't mean that someone had to make them.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I meant what I said.
You pretend to fathom a great deal.NetDoc said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
No more than you my friend, but I do realise that my knowledge is finite. No, it's probably less than that.
Yerda
Veteran Member
NetDoc said:
Eh?
It's nice you've arrived at your own conclusions but why are you so sure they accurately reflect reality?
Anyway, some people believe that God created evolution? Evidence would seem to suggest that biological systems are inherently capable of change as a result of their nature. God need not come into this.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Name an emotion and see if you can't trace it back to the existence or absense of love.
I do arrive at my own conclusions... I would arrive at yours, but the path is so difficult for me to take. Perhaps if you showed me a better path I would arrive at your conclusions too.
I do arrive at my own conclusions... I would arrive at yours, but the path is so difficult for me to take. Perhaps if you showed me a better path I would arrive at your conclusions too.
But isn't wonderful that he did? Well I for one, am thankful!
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Fear is as "anti-Love" as is hate.
Fear is as "anti-Love" as is hate.
Well yes, I do and they could be wrong. But they don't affect the fact that God DID evolve life!
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
On which part?
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Well,
as best as I can tell, the scriptures do not cover this. They don't discount it either. But God loves to work through things and leaves things like torrential rains for those special occaisions.
Not being a scientist, I am probably not the one to recount the evolution of life here on earth. I think many of their theories sound interesting and prove how God moves in a mysterious way, his wonders to perform. However, being a human I am constantly amazed at the diversity of life on our planet and am grateful that God was in control.
as best as I can tell, the scriptures do not cover this. They don't discount it either. But God loves to work through things and leaves things like torrential rains for those special occaisions.
Not being a scientist, I am probably not the one to recount the evolution of life here on earth. I think many of their theories sound interesting and prove how God moves in a mysterious way, his wonders to perform. However, being a human I am constantly amazed at the diversity of life on our planet and am grateful that God was in control.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Too many "theists" feel that evolution is anathema. They have extrapolated the scriptures and in doing so have alienated a ton of people whose only sin was to look at God's incredible fossil record. I wear a meglodon tooth around my neck and am pretty happy that these guys are GONE!
Khale
Active Member
It took me forever to re-find this thread.
1.) I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me.
- This commandment is saying exactly what it means. The Isrealites were not to worship any of the other gods at the time. This is also taken to mean that they believed that other gods existed, but their god was the only one that deserved worship.
2.) You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
- This is also another fairly straight forward commandment. It says that Idols should not be created for worship. This means that the Isrealites were not allowed to create Idols not only of other gods, but of their god as well. This was because they believed that creating an image of YHWH would limit him. This also shows a little about the Isrealites disbelief in an afterlife. If God couldn't punish them after death he was going to punish their children.
3.) You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
- This goes back to the Isrealites belief that they should not do anything that could give them power over YHWH.
4.) Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
- Also, another straight forward commandment. It simply states that the Isrealites are to keep the last day of the week seperate from the other six.
5.) Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
- This commandment is saying that the sons and daughters of parents should take care of their parents when the parents cannot take care of themselves. It was reffering more to adults than to children as it assumed today. This is because in ancient times once you got to a certain age you really only had your children to rely on (I'm pretty sure you already knew this though).
6.) You shall not murder.
- This was specifically reffering to unjust, premeditated, murder. It did not hold anything against killing in self defense, accidental killing, capital punishment, killing of animals, or killing in war. It also didn't say anything against abortion which, at the time, wasn't really considered since most children were considered a blessing. Having said that I must say that I do not agree with abortion at all, unless both mother and child will die without it.
7.) You shall not commit adultery.
-This commandment was reffering to a married man/woman having sex with someone outside of the marriage. This also includes an unmarried person having sex with a married person. It is nothing against premarital sex. This also has a bit of a loop hole. Many bible scholars believe that this commandment didn't count if the person that was being slept with was a gentile. Some have even gone as far as to say that it didn't count for anyone outside of the tribe.
8.) You shall not steal.
-This commandment is one that seems straightforward but isn't. This because the word that is used for "steal" actually refers to the stealing of people to be made as slaves. So this commandment would probably be more accurately translated as You shall not kidnap.
9.) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
-This the commandment that started this conversation in th first place. However, I will state it's meaning again for the heck of it. It refers to giving false testimony in court. It says nothing against everday white lies or deception. This does not mean that lies are good, it simply means that the commandment is not reffering to them. The reason that the commandment is there is because testimonies from witnessess were pretty much the only way that courts could determine the guilt of the convicted person.
10.) You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
-This Commandment is another straight forward one. It also covers the commandment that people believe the "don't steal" commandment covers. It essentially says not to look at another persons belongings with the intent to steal.
Well, that is everything. Thank you for taking time to read this and I look forward to our reply.
V/R,
Khale
Here are list of the ten commandments and what i have learned that they mean so far:
1.) I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me.
- This commandment is saying exactly what it means. The Isrealites were not to worship any of the other gods at the time. This is also taken to mean that they believed that other gods existed, but their god was the only one that deserved worship.
2.) You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
- This is also another fairly straight forward commandment. It says that Idols should not be created for worship. This means that the Isrealites were not allowed to create Idols not only of other gods, but of their god as well. This was because they believed that creating an image of YHWH would limit him. This also shows a little about the Isrealites disbelief in an afterlife. If God couldn't punish them after death he was going to punish their children.
3.) You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
- This goes back to the Isrealites belief that they should not do anything that could give them power over YHWH.
4.) Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
- Also, another straight forward commandment. It simply states that the Isrealites are to keep the last day of the week seperate from the other six.
5.) Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
- This commandment is saying that the sons and daughters of parents should take care of their parents when the parents cannot take care of themselves. It was reffering more to adults than to children as it assumed today. This is because in ancient times once you got to a certain age you really only had your children to rely on (I'm pretty sure you already knew this though).
6.) You shall not murder.
- This was specifically reffering to unjust, premeditated, murder. It did not hold anything against killing in self defense, accidental killing, capital punishment, killing of animals, or killing in war. It also didn't say anything against abortion which, at the time, wasn't really considered since most children were considered a blessing. Having said that I must say that I do not agree with abortion at all, unless both mother and child will die without it.
7.) You shall not commit adultery.
-This commandment was reffering to a married man/woman having sex with someone outside of the marriage. This also includes an unmarried person having sex with a married person. It is nothing against premarital sex. This also has a bit of a loop hole. Many bible scholars believe that this commandment didn't count if the person that was being slept with was a gentile. Some have even gone as far as to say that it didn't count for anyone outside of the tribe.
8.) You shall not steal.
-This commandment is one that seems straightforward but isn't. This because the word that is used for "steal" actually refers to the stealing of people to be made as slaves. So this commandment would probably be more accurately translated as You shall not kidnap.
9.) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
-This the commandment that started this conversation in th first place. However, I will state it's meaning again for the heck of it. It refers to giving false testimony in court. It says nothing against everday white lies or deception. This does not mean that lies are good, it simply means that the commandment is not reffering to them. The reason that the commandment is there is because testimonies from witnessess were pretty much the only way that courts could determine the guilt of the convicted person.
10.) You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
-This Commandment is another straight forward one. It also covers the commandment that people believe the "don't steal" commandment covers. It essentially says not to look at another persons belongings with the intent to steal.
Well, that is everything. Thank you for taking time to read this and I look forward to our reply.
V/R,
Khale