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Why Are Genocides Associated with Evolutionists and Atheists? Coincidence?

ecco

Veteran Member
The real question is to ask why is collectivism (communism, fascism, socialism, etc.) so obsessed with controlling human reproduction, either through eugenics or abortion.
If I'm not mistaken it is the Catholic Church that is against birth control and abortion.

If I'm not mistaken, it the conservative Protestant organizations that are against birth control and abortion.

If I'm not mistaken, all the above are against sex education in classrooms preferring to rely on "Just say no".


A social movement focused on feminism, gender neutrality, homosexuality, and humans being trans-gender. Of course it would all be in the name of human liberation.

All that being better than trying to force people to deny their own sexuality, straight, gay or otherwise.

I’ve got something better. What if the primitive root man was modified by a supernatural or advance being and made male and female. What as this new man was told to have strict rules on marriage such as male and female only and was taught to shun homosexuality. What if the collectivist side pushing to return man back to its original state wanted man to forget his modification and produce a social movement to simply deny the existence of this supernatural being.
YOU've got something better? YOU? That's nothing new. That's the same thing Fundamentalist Christians have been hollering for forever. What you missed is anti-miscegenation laws that were part of our landscape for most of this Nation's existence.

As the book of Genesis says, there are those made from the dust of the earth and those made in His likeness.
The Book of Genesis also promotes demands incest.
 

jhwatts

Member
If I'm not mistaken it is the Catholic Church that is against birth control and abortion.

If I'm not mistaken, it the conservative Protestant organizations that are against birth control and abortion.

If I'm not mistaken, all the above are against sex education in classrooms preferring to rely on "Just say no".

Yes, as result of modern collectivism, prior the modern movement, not so much. It is simply to take a stance against what is currently taking place.

All that being better than trying to force people to deny their own sexuality, straight, gay or otherwise.

The question is, are they being made as result of genetic modification through food and their environment to be that way? Why are the being modified? You neglect the obvious, in hopes to defend what you have been programed to believe. If you have studied history, the end result of what you believe does not turn out pretty.

Notice the technology, an example, the cell phone, it is simply an extension of oneself. Socialism, communism, collectivism, etc. has run its course and so its components that make it up.

YOU've got something better? YOU? That's nothing new. That's the same thing Fundamentalist Christians have been hollering for forever. What you missed is anti-miscegenation laws that were part of our landscape for most of this Nation's existence.

Yes. Do you have something better is the real question? I propose a world with perfect balance between male and female? Both equally as important, each with their unique qualities, the feminine and the masculine and both required ensure sociality is maintained and balanced. The feminist and gay movements have heavily displaced this. We have a demographic nuke about to go off because of it. We went to the classic family (male and female) with several children to a distorted family with only two and barely that. The baby boomer generation is about to pass and with it goes what wealth they had built. 70% of Americas savings is in retirement, equities, 401k's, IRA's, pension funds, etc.. It is all about to evaporate over the next few years (actually the next few months.). The end result is only a few to consume and the end result will be poverty all and no need to produce because of the demographic contraction. This is the result of the distortion of the classic family. This is going to be bad and it a result of the belief system you adhere to. Watch and see.

The Book of Genesis also promotes demands incest.

Show me.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
All that being better than trying to force people to deny their own sexuality, straight, gay or otherwise.
The question is, are they being made as result of genetic modification through food and their environment to be that way? Why are the being modified? You neglect the obvious, in hopes to defend what you have been programed to believe. If you have studied history, the end result of what you believe does not turn out pretty.
You want to lecture me about studying history and yet you are ignorant of the fact that homosexuality has been around long before "genetic modification through food and their environment ".


I propose a world with perfect balance between male and female? Both equally as important, each with their unique qualities, the feminine and the masculine and both required ensure sociality is maintained and balanced.

Ah, utopia. Or should we say jhwatts' concept of utopia. I believe there are some religions that will give each believer his/her own planet. Short of that, how would you implement your "proposal"?


The baby boomer generation is about to pass and with it goes what wealth they had built. 70% of Americas savings is in retirement, equities, 401k's, IRA's, pension funds, etc.. It is all about to evaporate over the next few years (actually the next few months.).

I guess I should make note on my Google calendar to check back with you in a "few months" so we can discuss your failed prophecy.



This is the result of the distortion of the classic family. This is going to be bad and it a result of the belief system you adhere to. Watch and see.

How do you define a "Classic Family"? Mother, father, 2.4 kids? Was that the norm for most of mankind's history?


The Book of Genesis also promotes demands incest.


Cain had intercourse with a daughter of Adam & Eve. If none of A&E's children had incest, the lineage would have died out with Cain's being the last generation. Is it really necessary for me, an atheist, to help you understand your bible?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The Book of Genesis also promotes demands incest.
If Adam and Eve were indeed the first people, then Seth would have to breed with his sister or with Eve herself.

And the cycle of incest would have to continue for most of these generations in Genesis 5, but the problem with Genesis is that no women were named, apart from Eve in Genesis 7.

The pseudepigraphal Book of Jubilees, most like based on Jewish traditions, expanded on the narratives of Genesis and do give names of women married to this or that patriarch, most often to their brothers, or else first cousins.

Then there is the question of Abraham and Sarah. Sarah is more than likely to be Abraham’s half sister, as indicated in Genesis 20:12; they shared the same father. Having Isaac with his half sister is still incest.

And outside of Genesis, Moses’ parents were Jochebed and Amram. Amram was a grandson of Levi, while Jochebed was a daughter of Levi (Numbers 26:59), which means an aunt-nephew incestous marriage (Exodus 6:20). Moses, the Lawgiver, was born out of incest.
 
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tas8831

Well-Known Member
The question is, are they being made as result of genetic modification through food and their environment to be that way? Why are the being modified? You neglect the obvious, in hopes to defend what you have been programed to believe.


The irony is staggering.
If you have studied history, the end result of what you believe does not turn out pretty.
Burning people at the stake.... slaughter of indigenous peoples for being 'savages'... Right - it is not pretty.
 

jhwatts

Member
All that being better than trying to force people to deny their own sexuality, straight, gay or otherwise.

You want to lecture me about studying history and yet you are ignorant of the fact that homosexuality has been around long before "genetic modification through food and their environment ".

Um yes I am very aware of this and an interesting fact about Genesis is that on more than one occasion God made it clear that, the Adam was made male and female. That is humanity.

Genesis 5: (1-2)

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

and,

Romans 1: (20-32)

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Concerning homosexuality, it is ,much more ancient than most realize.

Looking in Romans we see at the creation of the world what transpired and mans likeness was trying to be altered, and hence the homosexuality was a part of it. So yes, the devil has constantly been trying to shift man from God's likeness to something else.



Ah, utopia. Or should we say jhwatts' concept of utopia. I believe there are some religions that will give each believer his/her own planet. Short of that, how would you implement your "proposal"?

Utopia is your word not mine. The balance has existed in the past and will return soon enough.




I guess I should make note on my Google calendar to check back with you in a "few months" so we can discuss your failed prophecy.

I wouldn't wait a few months. The stock market is beginning to collapse now.

Dow drops 600 points after China says it will impose tariffs on U.S. goods

Again what you fail to realize is that the baby boomer's hold the majority of savings in America and is in predominately equities, 401k's, pensions, and IRA's. Within the next two 70 percent of Americas saving will be destroyed.

This will be a banking disaster with a credit collapse. The supply chain will also collapse. Deutshe Bank will the first to go. That is, Germany's state owned bank, Italy, and the UK not far behind.

Globalism will collapse and with it will go collectivism and the rise of individualism will prevail. Man will rule himself with the help of technology. The eye of providence will see and here our steps and will no our every move. Don't believe me, look at the cell phone in your hand. It is an extension of yourself. Soon enough man will no longer need his own knowledge but will rely on the technology to obtain his knowledge. Any thing he whats to know he can instantly know. In short he will return to God what he had taken from the tree of knowledge and God and humanity will walk together again.




How do you define a "Classic Family"? Mother, father, 2.4 kids? Was that the norm for most of mankind's history?

A mother and father and their children.


The Book of Genesis also promotes demands incest.

Cain had intercourse with a daughter of Adam & Eve. If none of A&E's children had incest, the lineage would have died out with Cain's being the last generation. Is it really necessary for me, an atheist, to help you understand your bible?

Again, your knowledge of Genesis is only the popular view and is what you have been programmed to understand. I however have pointed out about that humanity was made male and female. Genesis says nowhere that Adam and Eve are the first humans. Not only that, if we look at other accounts of Eden in the Bible we see that Eden was made up of many people and even contained nations.

CHAPTER 31.
1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? 3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. 4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. 5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. 6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. 7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. 8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. 9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 10 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height; 11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness. 12 And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him. 13 Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches: 14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit. 15 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him. 16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. 17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. 18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.

By the way, trees in Eden are not an actual tree but are symbolic of very powerful beings.

The tree that is being described in Ezekiel denied God
's existence and His need. and help His religion is still is propagated today. His followers too have been taught to deny Gods existence.

You cannot provide with an understanding of the Bible. Trust me, when it comes to the Bible not only are we not on the same street we are not even on the same planet.

 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
@jhwatts , it would be nice if you learned how to use the "Reply" function correctly. But incest was required not only in the Garden of Eden myth, and you should use a more modern translation, but in the Noah's Ark myth too, though that was first cousin incest.
 

jhwatts

Member
@jhwatts , it would be nice if you learned how to use the "Reply" function correctly. But incest was required not only in the Garden of Eden myth, and you should use a more modern translation, but in the Noah's Ark myth too, though that was first cousin incest.

Incest was not required in Eden as I have just pointed out.

I use many different translations but when discussing items about creation and the Bible I use early English translations. Modern translation contain inherent biases concerning creation as it Is a hot topic of the day. I can point these out I'd needed.

Concerning the ark story, show me.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Incest was not required in Eden as I have just pointed out.

I use many different translations but when discussing items about creation and the Bible I use early English translations. Modern translation contain inherent biases concerning creation as it Is a hot topic of the day. I can point these out I'd needed.

Concerning the ark story, show me.
You used a poor translation . You do not speak Jacobean English. You cannot understand that translation. And I will gladly show you if you own up to your ignorance of the Noah's Ark myth.
 

jhwatts

Member
You used a poor translation . You do not speak Jacobean English. You cannot understand that translation. And I will gladly show you if you own up to your ignorance of the Noah's Ark myth.

That's a bold statement concerning my what I can and can't read.

Again, the ball is in your court. Show me.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's a bold statement concerning my what I can and can't read.

Again, the ball is in your court. Show me.
Nope, no need. If you understood it you would realize that the KJV is not that different from modern translations and where it differs it is usually due to the fact that is an inferior translation.

KJV only cultists tend to make extremely odd translations of that version at times. I would say that the ball is in your court. You need to prove that the KJV is superior to modern translations.
 

jhwatts

Member
Nope, no need. If you understood it you would realize that the KJV is not that different from modern translations and where it differs it is usually due to the fact that is an inferior translation.

Your opinion and view.

KJV only cultists tend to make extremely odd translations of that version at times. I would say that the ball is in your court. You need to prove that the KJV is superior to modern translations.

Your opinion and view. "KJV only cultist" your cracking me up. Fine, I'll just use me Geneva from now on.

Actually, the Geneva text is a good example of my point. The bias of the day was the hatred of the Roman Catholic Church. It is by default, evident in the Geneva text. The same goes for creation. It is an inherent bias in modern translations.

I never said it was superior. I said for cases refrenceing creation, using a earlier version, I dont have to worry about potential biases due to it being a controversiall topic of the day.

You're dancing around the issue of incest in the ark story. Show me.
 
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