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Is Trump Fit To remain as the President of the USA?

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You got it upside down.

Its Clinton, the DNC, and Obama that did the dirty conspiracy and obstruction with Russia. Where is the lefty outrage that Trump got when they thought he was the dirty collusionist?

I'm no fan of Obama or The Clinton's. If there is solid case, then by all means let's have them stand trial.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
1) Detaining illegal aliens with kids in cages doesn't bother me, they're criminals. But, I rather they be with their parents in the cage than with a stranger who could possibly harm them. So, between the two options that one is better.

2) Controlled is unlikely... Trump has enough wealth that honestly he doesn't need anything. Someone that doesn't need things, nor is desperate enough is a bad patsy.

3) Where this is occurring it is because the Democrats are so flipping incompetent they cannot make a case, nor carry their ideas to fruition. This is Trump's fault? Absolutely not... It's their ineffectiveness.

Bill Maher -- haven't watched him in awhile, man he's not funny anymore. :D Spends his entire show Trump bashing and sulking in his frustration. This is a small man, and certainly not worth any further consideration. Worse, I think he's just a coward... Most of the people on his show are just liberal sycophants and their minions. The short of his entire program: "Let's whine about Trump all day, because that's all we have in common." Bor-ing...
1) It's not about you.

2) Trump's wealth is debatable unless his tax returns are released, especially in light of the multi-billion dollar revenue loss between 1985 and 1994 recently disclosed.

3) It's process.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Results are about what happens in the world as the result of one's actions.
Competence is a personal trait.
Trumps record (so far) is easily better than Dubya's
just because of the lack of new wars. Of course,
he's also lucky by not having faced the same events.
Let's just say that what you say is not at all the consensus.

Also, George W. Bush is quite the low bar to begin with... and Trump still falls way short, to say the least.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Of course everyone would prefer great results from a respectable President.
But observe the posts on RF....
Look at the ones who just call him an "idiot", "Hitler", a "dictator", "evil", etc.
They ignore policies, focusing merely upon what they dislike about him.
There's nothing for me to discuss with them because all they want to do is
complain, or worse yet, replace him with Pence. There's no common ground.
Boy. Sometimes I feel rather scared because by rights you ought to be kidding, yet apparently you are not.

Boggles the mind.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I hope this brings in some discussion –

1. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
2. Thou shalt not kill. (murder)
3. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
4. Thou shalt not steal.
5. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

:)-

Believe me, it is not an honor being a liar
May God Be With You
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I'm more concerned with competency than propriety.
If you needed a delicate operation, would you choose an unskilled paragon of virtue or a skilled boor as your surgeon?

In most skilled professions there are certifications of competence required for licensure. Not so politics. Any fool can participate, as long as he can gather a following.
I'd prefer a politician with expertise in history, psychology, anthropology, economics, &al; a technician, not a charismatic narcissist.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
May 5, 2019 6:15 am

By Dennis Elam

The Reuters/Jefferies Commodity Resource Bureau index peaked in 2008 around 460 after rising from 180 in year 2002. By 2011 it had regained 370. The oil price collapse beginning in 2014 has now taken us back to CRB 180. The take-away here is that commodity prices have been falling for ten years.

Three weeks ago amid massive bullish sentiment for stocks and oil price, we suggested that one should exercise caution in the markets. Since then stock averages have flirted with their October 2018 highs, Google’s earnings growth has slowed, crude oil has fallen from $66 to $62, and natural gas trades at $2.60.

Trump brags that he asked OPEC to increase production and lower prices. But we noted that price had increased 50% from its low of $42 and there was no lack of supply. We have drawn attention to the anemic performance of the Energy Service XES ETF. It peaked at $12.50, dropped below both the 50 and 125 day moving averages and is now $10.91. It never rose above the 200 day moving average of $13.10.

Bell weather Halliburton HAL trades at $27.75 at a mere 13.79 price earnings ratio. Patterson PTEN is trading for half its 2018 peak of $25 at $13.43. And PTEN is not making any money with a loss of $1.46 a share. Schlumberger SLB is in a two year slump falling form $77.50 to $41.27.


continued
ELAM: Oil and stock prices likely topping
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I'm more concerned with competency than propriety.
If you needed a delicate operation, would you choose an unskilled paragon of virtue or a skilled boor as your surgeon?

In most skilled professions there are certifications of competence required for licensure. Not so politics. Any fool can participate, as long as he can gather a following.
I'd prefer a politician with expertise in history, psychology, anthropology, economics, &al; a technician, not a charismatic narcissist.

Trump will tell you he is competent and has a big brain all day long.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
We had two years of the collusion delusion. This was a national test of intellectual competency. Those who engaged in the delusion, and those who were fooled by it, demonstrated a total lack of intellectual competence.

The same new people who got this test wrong, still use the dumbest people in the media as their source of information. The entire left has demonstrated a complete lack of a lack competency.

Do those on the left realize you were lied to by your leadership? They were covering up crimes, and used the naivety of their base, as pawns, for even more crimes. Their knew their base does not show much intellectual curiosity, and they were easy to train using dog whistles.

This is your chance to show them they were wrong. Do some research and come to the truth. The delusion should be over by now. Don't let the boneheads in the media suck you back into delusion 2.0.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's just say that what you say is not at all the consensus.
That was part of my point.
Also, George W. Bush is quite the low bar to begin with... and Trump still falls way short, to say the least.
Dubya started 2 needless wars which were economically devastating.
Trump (so far) has done nothing of such enormity....yet.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trump is a huge embarrassment worldwide. Now watch what happens with shale oil. I wonder if he'll blame Obama.

Bush was a pleasant dolt under the thumb of Dick Cheney.
You focus upon the individual, while I look at results.
Bush's being pleasant matters not to me compared to his
starting 2 wars, & secondarily messing up income tax reform.
Trump doesn't embarrass me at all because I don't identify with him.

Dick Cheney shot a lawyer in the face.
I can forgive that.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Hard to argue with producing what was promised...
If that’s your measure, then he is not nearly as good as Obama was; and Obama faced a Republican legislature irrationally hellbent on blocking every policy he tried to promote, with that as the backbone for their own stated policy of making Obama a one-term president. (remember: that was when they were called “The Party of ‘No’”).

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But that is low hanging fruit. There are much more important things regarding national policy.


So. Now then...let everyone here understand, those who oppose Don the Conman don’t ONLY despise his debilitating narcissism and flagrantly pathological lying, which unto themselves have been the source of so many policy blunders, international debacles, and possible (yet to be investigated) high crimes and misdemeanors.....
but we also object to his terrible policy maneuvers that have only made our formerly great nation weaker, poorer, and more isolated.

If you want to go back and read all of @james dixon post #27, that is a good start. Make sure you answer his questions.

But, what has been Don the Conman’s “crowning” achievement so far? Yeah. His tax cut bill. The bill that gave his fellow richy-rich elites huge tax cuts, and the rest of us a few bucks in our pockets (last year). The great and wonderful bill that keeps giving his pals in the country clubs tax breaks for time immemorial, while you and I lose in the next 2-3 years. (How’s that for helping the coal miners and middle class working Joes?). Oh, and of course all of you who fawningly gather round your Conman’s legs know that his tax break bill had a particular clause specifically giving bigger breaks for commercial real-estate developers, like.....ooooohh......himself? Not home owners or small rental operators, just the tycoons, and only the tycoons.

Last minute addition to Tax Bill

But of course all of you knew that, because you actually follow the news, yet you all defended him while the election was wrapping up and he refused to disenfranchise himself from his businesses which would be a breach of the emoluments clause in the US Constitution, especially if he used his power as president to financially aid himself.
As I recall, the general sentiment from the right was, “He’s so brilliant, he can run the country and his business at the same time anyway.” :rolleyes:

So @Enoch07 and @Mindmaster and @Revoltingest and others..... do you still want to desperately cling to the idea that Don the Conman is NOT an absolute failure inflicted upon the world by the American voters (and the electoral college), by what? By claiming that the lefties are whiners about his “slightly off-kilter” personality, but that he’s a great president who is oh-so-effective in Making America Great Again?

Consider these whiners...
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Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
You focus ......
Trump doesn't embarrass me at all because I don't identify with him.
.......
But the entire world identifies YOU with him. And they identify ME with him. And he is supposed to represent ALL of US. And he is supposed to represent the strength, and honor, and IDEALS of our nation.
Check that. Unfortunately, he DOES represent all those things. :(:oops::(:mad::mad::(:(:oops:
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You focus upon the individual, while I look at results.
Bush's being pleasant matters not to me compared to his
starting 2 wars, & secondarily messing up income tax reform.
Trump doesn't embarrass me at all because I don't identify with him.

Dick Cheney shot a lawyer in the face.
I can forgive that.

I don't know you can separate a man from his character and personal history. As for Dubya.. look at how many people he hired that were signatories of the PNAC letter to Clinton in 1998.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ain't that the truth.

All the same, the signs of his mental desintegration have been coming clearer and more often as of late.
Trump's always been that way , no nonsense, boisterous, crass... It's his personality. Big deal. Whoopty Doo.

Yet his intent has always been to see things through and get the job done. That's what's important .

It's so alien to so many people today who have been spoon-fed utter bull**** im not surprised in the least that the reaction by them is mental degradation.

A fair number of people just aren't used to an Alpha president. It's high time they did, and recognize the benefits of having a strong leader with a clear vision.

It's why he got elected by most of the states.
 
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