Scientific Proof of God

God knows all. Thus, He knows, that He exists.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

Do you know why it is impossible for humankind to come to a common opinion about the existence of God? Because there are two Gods and the second one does not exist.

We mostly get un-natural un-compassionate feeling, when somebody tells us, that God exists and he knows it for sure. Such human makes us at least try hard to debunk him or to make him sound ridiculous by twisting and corrupting original wording his proof. But it is because there are two basic options among all religions (including Atheism): Existing God and Non-existing god (idol). We are stuck with lust to the second one, thus, we intuitively know, that our “god” is non-existing one. But keep in mind, that a thesis in Scientific Community is not premise and not assumption.

But where's the evidence?

The Hammer said:

But where's the evidence?

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Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

Your "thesis" is unsupported and the argument circular.

questfortruth said:

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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That evidence wouldn't even work in seminary school, try again.

The Hammer said:

But where's the evidence?

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All of existences is evidence for God. This a fundamental problem of science. All "good" objectivity is determined by a "bad" subjective judgment. Most scientific people make the "bad" subjective judgment all of existence is not credible evidence for the existence of God.

questfortruth said:

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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God knows every possible way of being and not-being for all-time every moment. I'm pretty sure God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about. It's not women's fault either. It just proves God must be a woman because no man could ever create anything as beautiful and alluring as what women represent. There is nothing more sacred in the World than the mother of my children. If exists, I have not found it and do not expect to anytime soon. Experiencing unity with God is our greatest possible experience.

dfnj said:

All of existences is evidence for God. This a fundamental problem of science. All "good" objectivity is determined by a "bad" subjective judgment. Most scientific people make the "bad" subjective judgment all of existence is not credible evidence for the existence of God.

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Why is existence evidence for God?

questfortruth said:

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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Try here: Evidence God Exists

The Hammer said:

Try here: Evidence God Exists

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These are ancient arguments, uninformed by physics and often illogical on their face.

Valjean said:

These are ancient arguments, uninformed by physics and often illogical on their face.

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As if scope of physics extends beyond empiricism.

questfortruth said:

God knows all. Thus, He knows, that He exists.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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You've omitted necessary steps:
P1: X exists.
P2: X is sentient.
P3: It is possible for a sentient being to know everything.
Only now are you able to proceed to ─
P4: X knows everything (&c)
but you don't need it because of P1.

questfortruth said:

God knows all. Thus, He knows, that He exists.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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Begging the question.

The thesis is that X knows everything...

but your conclusion doesn't relate to the thesis. First, prove that there's an X to know everything.


..............your logic is flawed, even to me, and I AM a theist!

Valjean said:

These are ancient arguments, uninformed by physics and often illogical on their face.

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I meant it as a place to start, not as definitive proof. Those arguments are leaps aread of OP's circular conjecture.

The Magic Space Pixies know all. Thus, They know, that They exist.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of themselves.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

questfortruth said:

God knows all. Thus, He knows, that He exists.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

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The Almighty Arklesnickle is capable of fulfilling any request you make of it.

I request that the Almighty Arklesnickle exists.

Therefore the Almighty Arklesnickle exists.

I also request that the Almighty Arklesnickle be the entity that created the universe.

I have just proved that not only does the Almighty Arklesnickle exist, but also that it created the universe.

An immaterial being cannot be evidenced to exist.

Existence has no inherent moral order.

The universe could have an ultimate beginning. Causes unknown.

Does infinite existence exist?

Is there a base reality in an outside realm? If so who or what is to say that it is ideally suited for life?

An eternal uncaused cause could be anything and not necessarily an ideal god.

Intelligence must pre exist for intelligence to form. If so intelligence is eternal and thus life is also. But life is a beggar in the universe. The universe is haphazard and mostly toxic to life.

There has never been any current witnesses to anything supernatural occuring.

Virtues and ideals of character can be discovered by humanity. That does not imply that there is a source of such ideal virtues.

To be all knowing, and all powerful is to be omnipresent. There is no detectable presence of such a being other than subjective interpretation.

Anything all good and all powerful will not allow evil to work freely. Evil does go unpunished on Earth and victims do needlessly die or worse.

Nature is totally indifferent to what it lets happen.

Savage, ugly, poisonous creatures exist. What kind of god makes such things live?

dianaiad said:

Begging the question.

The thesis is that X knows everything...

but your conclusion doesn't relate to the thesis. First, prove that there's an X to know everything.


..............your logic is flawed, even to me, and I AM a theist!

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We mostly get un-natural un-compassionate feeling, when somebody tells us, that God exists and he knows it for sure. Such human makes us at least try hard to debunk him or to make him sound ridiculous by twisting and corrupting original wording his proof. But it is because there are two basic options among all religions (including Atheism): Existing God and Non-existing god (idol). We are stuck with lust to the second one, thus, we intuitively know, that our “god” is non-existing one. But keep in mind, that a thesis in Scientific Community is not premise and not assumption.

questfortruth said:

God knows all. Thus, He knows, that He exists.

Thesis: X knows everything.
Corollary: X knows about the existence of himself.
Conclusion: The existence of X is proven.

Do you know why it is impossible for humankind to come to a common opinion about the existence of God? Because there are two Gods and the second one does not exist.

We mostly get un-natural un-compassionate feeling, when somebody tells us, that God exists and he knows it for sure. Such human makes us at least try hard to debunk him or to make him sound ridiculous by twisting and corrupting original wording his proof. But it is because there are two basic options among all religions (including Atheism): Existing God and Non-existing god (idol). We are stuck with lust to the second one, thus, we intuitively know, that our “god” is non-existing one. But keep in mind, that a thesis in Scientific Community is not premise and not assumption.

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First, science does not prove anything, and the proof of the existence of God is the last thing on the proof hit list.

So circular it bites you in the butt.

This looks like fun!
I'll now prove that God doesn't exist.
x = God
y = exists

Assume x = y
Then x2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x2 - y2 = xy - y2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.
Because 1 =/= 0, the assumption that x = y is wrong.
Therefore, God does not exist.