Subduction Zone
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No, none have been posted. Most theists do not understand the concept.
And objective evidence tends to be reliable. Give me an example and I will explain if it is reliable or not and why.
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A Record 60% of Americans Say They Could Vote for an Atheist President
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And objective evidence tends to be reliable. Give me an example and I will explain if it is reliable or not and why.
Father Heathen
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I.e. you desperately want to defend your brethren, but got nothin'.Nobodys perfect.
Jollybear
Hey
Ok, ill give one exampke for now, and then others later, so posts dont get too long.
Lets go with the typical intelligent design.
Design in the universe, world, earth, our bodies, ect.
Why is that not evidence of a designer?
whirlingmerc
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Are you running?But what I find particularly interesting are the strides atheism has made since 1959: A 230% increase in willingness..
"Every few years, Gallup asks Americans a version of this question: “If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be _____, would you vote for that person?”
Just about every time they’ve asked that question, “atheist” has been at the bottom of the list. (Atheists are unelectable! the headlines always say.)
In 2012, there was cause for celebration simply because more than half of those surveyed said they wouldn’t hold atheism against a politician. Then, in 2015, for the first time ever, “atheist” wasn’t the worst trait in a presidential candidate. A “Socialist” performed slightly worse. (Thanks, Bernie Sanders!)
In a poll released today, there’s been no change in the unpopularity of “Socialist” — only 47% of Americans would support that candidate — but “atheist” received another tiny jump. A record 60% of Americans say they would now consider voting for an atheist. It’s still next to last on the list. But it’s clearly becoming less of a stigma.
While just about every category Gallup asked about saw an increase in support — suggesting Americans are becoming comfortable with a more diverse group of candidates — “atheist” saw the smallest increase, an uptick of only 2%. But that may be because we just don’t hear that conversation discussed very much in the media. Without an atheist candidate to talk about, there’s no reason to bring it up.
Eighty percent of U.S. adults would vote for an evangelical Christian for president — up from 73% in 2015. Meanwhile, the percentage of Americans who would vote for a Muslim has grown from 58% in 2012 to 66% today.
Atheist presidential candidates would face more resistance from voters than candidates of other religious backgrounds. But Americans have warmed to the idea of an atheist candidate over the past several decades. The current 60% who would vote for an atheist is more than three times the 18% Gallup recorded in its first measure on atheist candidates in 1958.
Subduction Zone
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There is no evidence of design. ID believers cannot even define it properly. "Look's like design to me" is not evidence. That is only an unsupported claim.
Tell ya what you walk a mile in someone's shoes before you judge them.
Try to live as close to the bible as you think Christians should.
When you are successful you can come back and judge.
Until then, nobody care what you think about Christians not living by the bible. Because you don't know anything about that life.
Subduction Zone
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Why should he live "close to the Bible"? There are countless immoral dictates in the Bible. Better to live as moral of a life as possible.
Not even talking to you butt out. Its none of yo business!
Subduction Zone
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Then use the private message option. Otherwise it is anyone's business here.
Father Heathen
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So
Woooow. You have to be pretty dense not to see the irony in this. It's fine for them to judge those who don't live by biblical standards, but it's out of line to point out that they too fail to live by these standards? That's some two-faced bs right there.
Who said it was fine for Christian's to judge others?
It certainly not Biblical.
See you actually know very little about the subject.
Skwim
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Father Heathen
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I know it's not (Matthew 7:1-5), yet they do it all of the time, especially evangelicals and their legislative crusade against immorality. They'll rally against gays, abortion, cannabis, etc. yet conveniently turn a blind eye to pride, greed, lechery, dishonesty, adultery, fornication, etc. (all sinful behavior according to scripture) among their own ranks (their idolization of Trump being a prime example). Yes, no one is perfect. To error is human, etc. But people are still accountable, and it's not unreasonable to call out blatant, habitual hypocrisy. Perhaps people should take a step back and reevaluate themselves if they can't handle doses of their own medicine.
Yeah some are misguided. Their only as human as you and I.
Father Heathen
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Is it not good to help guide the misguided? To help them see the error of their ways?
Usually its best to let people figure out stuff on their own. My experience is if you push to hard they just flat out reject. So you go in easy, say whatever you need to em, then step back and give them all the space in the world. It doesn't work near enough, but it works better than beating them on the head with a Bible, or gripping with an iron fist.
Father Heathen
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My posts have only served as beacons of light in this world of darkness.
That's pretty darn optimistic.
But I won't try take it from ya!
joe1776
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The problem is that "preserving religious liberty" has a different meaning for most Christians than it does for Atheists. The Christian majority historically has had the upper hand at the ballot box. Atheists and agnostics have to depend on the courts for fairness and that often comes down to the Supreme Court and a 5-4 vote that could go either way.