Good News: Muslims and Jews Stronger Together

icehorse · May 4, 2019

sooda said:
HAMAS and Hizbollah did support the plan

According to this article, Hamas was split. Given their track record, I would say that"split" is not good news for Israel.

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia

My other earlier point however stands either way. Giving the entire WB to the Palestinians would create an excessively gerrymandered border - that's just a bad idea.

Shad · May 4, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Why reply like this !!
It's like disupte your-self !

They are not members of Hamas. They are radical Jews that want Israel to be destroyed in order for their religious prophecy to come to pass.

I never said they are not Jew, or not going to Iran.

Babble.

I know you won't change you view.because it's anti-Palestine.Nothing new,

Says the guy that literally linked a Jewish group that is anti-Israel....

Shad · May 4, 2019

sooda said:
Come on .. the European refugees considered the Palestinians inferior and proceeded to drive them off the land and take their homes and farms and orchards. What did you expect to happen?

Arabs and such told people to leave until they won the war. Instead they lost the war. Again and again and again.

In 1492 lots of Jews who'd left Spain and Portugal settled in Hebron. They didn't have any trouble.

So?

Godobeyer · May 7, 2019

Shad said:
They are not members of Hamas. They are radical Jews that want Israel to be destroyed in order for their religious prophecy to come to pass.

Babble.

Says the guy that literally linked a Jewish group that is anti-Israel....

I am anti-Isreal because I believe it's racist and unjustice country and oppression Arab,and Muslims,some Jews are anti-Isreal,that's my opinion is definitly opossite to yours,so where is the problem ?

Godobeyer · May 7, 2019

Just to clarify I am against oppresion and occupation by name of religion or race or democracy .
I am not anti-Jews.

Shad · May 8, 2019

Godobeyer said:
I am anti-Isreal because I believe it's racist and unjustice country and oppression Arab,and Muslims,some Jews are anti-Isreal,that's my opinion is definitly opossite to yours,so where is the problem ?

The group you referenced is anti-Israel due to their religious view. That is a far different view than your own. At the very least you and I could discuss your view and the evidence for it. The other group are religious zealots so there is no discussion to be had.

Shad · May 8, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Just to clarify I am against oppresion and occupation by name of religion or race or democracy .
I am not anti-Jews.

Hamas started as anti-Jewish. That is the point I was making. Hence why it's charter mentions Jews not only Israel.

Godobeyer · May 9, 2019

Shad said:
Hamas started as anti-Jewish. That is the point I was making. Hence why it's charter mentions Jews not only Israel.

If they are anti-Jewish ,what Jews were doing in Gaza with Ismeal Haniya?
There is different between resistence your occupation,or oppression and try to genocide you.
I know that some of them generalizing ,that's exist in every community.that's definity wrong.

Godobeyer · May 9, 2019

Shad said:
The group you referenced is anti-Israel due to their religious view. That is a far different view than your own. At the very least you and I could discuss your view and the evidence for it. The other group are religious zealots so there is no discussion to be had.

Not just religious view, also humanity views, no one accept to live in occupation and oppression.
In religious view,Mosque of Al-aqsa belong to Muslims,they captured by Israel.
Holyplace belong to Muslims don't belong to Jewish beliefs,why keep seized it,and claim and threaten.

icehorse · May 9, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Not just religious view, also humanity views, no one accept to live in occupation and oppression.
In religious view,Mosque of Al-aqsa belong to Muslims,they captured by Israel.
Holyplace belong to Muslims don't belong to Jewish beliefs,why keep seized it,and claim and threaten.

I'm curious to know how you feel about the Kurds and the Coptics and the Yazidis and others who are being forced from their homelands all over the ME?

sooda · May 10, 2019

icehorse said:
Thanks for mentioning the Saudi Peace initiative. I read up on it a bit. IT strikes me that the Saudi's might have been being sincere, but I think the plan is far too gerrymandered to bring peace and Hamas has not supported the plan, as far as I could tell.

I have to say that if I was in Israel's leadership group I'd be very skeptical of the plan, such skepticism largely based on how giving Gaza to the Arabs has worked out. I think the sad reality is that Arab leaders often use Palestinians as political pawns.

Most of the people in Gaza were not born there.. 40% of them are refugees driven out of the Negev and the West Bank.

sooda · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Not just religious view, also humanity views, no one accept to live in occupation and oppression.
In religious view,Mosque of Al-aqsa belong to Muslims,they captured by Israel.
Holyplace belong to Muslims don't belong to Jewish beliefs,why keep seized it,and claim and threaten.

For 1300 years the Muslims and Christians of Palestine safeguarded the holy places of the patriarchs.

sooda · May 10, 2019

icehorse said:
I'm curious to know how you feel about the Kurds and the Coptics and the Yazidis and others who are being forced from their homelands all over the ME?

They can and do live there until we overthrow Saddam Hussain or allow Assad to pit one group against another.

Godobeyer · May 10, 2019

sooda said:
For 1300 years the Muslims and Christians of Palestine safeguarded the holy places of the patriarchs.

Yes,that's was under Muslims control,all religions are equal and had right to pray.

Now ,there is big threaten against Muslim holy mosque by Isrealis.

Godobeyer · May 10, 2019

icehorse said:
I'm curious to know how you feel about the Kurds and the Coptics and the Yazidis and others who are being forced from their homelands all over the ME?

I am still humun,and my religion order me to help people,regardless their religion or race.
I reject all kind of oppression to all people whatever their religion or race.

Audie · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
I am anti-Isreal because I believe it's racist and unjustice country and oppression Arab,and Muslims,some Jews are anti-Isreal,that's my opinion is definitly opossite to yours,so where is the problem ?

Terrif! So you must be very anti-SA and anti Iran too.

Audie · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
I am still humun,and my religion order me to help people,regardless their religion or race.
I reject all kind of oppression to all people whatever their religion or race.

what else does your religion order you to do?

Audie · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Not just religious view, also humanity views, no one accept to live in occupation and oppression.
In religious view,Mosque of Al-aqsa belong to Muslims,they captured by Israel.
Holyplace belong to Muslims don't belong to Jewish beliefs,why keep seized it,and claim and threaten.

Can you name one square inch of planet earth that was
not taken from its previous owners by force?

no one accept to live in occupation and oppression.

It may not be what people like very much, but,
it is just how things always have been. Your
concerns are nothing new or special. Nobody
can claim "ownership" of that bloody land
except by force-which is the way it always has been.

icehorse · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
I am still humun,and my religion order me to help people,regardless their religion or race.
I reject all kind of oppression to all people whatever their religion or race.

Ok cool. Can you zoom out and see the ME as one, big interconnected system? If so, you can see that across the ME, including in Israel, Arab leaders are oppressing non-Muslims. Based on Islamic ideas AND on Islam's history, this seems to be the way Islam works. Islam does not co-exist once it is in power.

Shad · May 10, 2019

Godobeyer said:
Yes,that's was under Muslims control,all religions are equal and had right to pray.

Now ,there is big threaten against Muslim holy mosque by Isrealis.

Jordan banned Jews vising the cave of the Patriarchs..... Not Israelis, Jews....

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