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White House increases restrictions on the press

Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Enoch07 said:
That may be it. A lot folks post WaPo articles here for their arguments. I'm just gonna bow out, I can't make an argument for or against since I can't read the story. Good luck!
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I figure look for other sources on the same thing , or just go to Reuters if it's really a worthy news story. I'm running into a lot of pay walls myself.

Frankly I'm not going to pay for something just to post on RF. *Grin*
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Enoch07 said:
Dunno inform me old wise one?
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You should have read the article that I linked. The legislative branch has to do more than just write laws. To be able to balance powers it also has to be able to investigate the other two branches of the government. One has to be rather ignorant of the three branches not to realize this. A legislative branch that cannot investigate and prosecute at times cannot balance the other three. In fact the House is more responsible for it than the Senate since the House is the one that has the power of impeachment. That must occur first. Then there is a trial in the Senate. This is high school level stuff. You should have learned it then. Are you old enough to remember the Watergate investigation? They were not "writing a law" when they did that. The same applies to when Clinton was impeached.
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Subduction Zone said:
To be able to balance powers it also has to be able to investigate the other two branches of the government. One has to be rather ignorant of the three branches not to realize this.
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I know all this, and what I said holds true according to your article. But also there is this because Congress is limited in certain regards as is the other 2 branches. I'll leave this for you.

156. Disclosure of matters occurring before the grand jury to Department of Justice attorneys and Assistant United States Attorneys

An excerpt: Rule 6(e)(3)(A)(i) does not authorize disclosure to attorneys for other Federal government agencies. SeeUnited States v. Bates, 627 F.2d 349, 351 (D.C.Cir. 1980). Nor is disclosure permitted under this section to attorneys for States or local governments. In re Holovachka, 317 F.2d 834 (7th Cir. 1963); Corona Construction Co. v. Ampress Brick Co., Inc., 376 F. Supp. 598 (N.D.Ill. 1974).

Another excerpt: outlying the legality of A.G.Barr releasing unredacted grand jury info:

The unauthorized disclosure of grand jury information can also be punished under other criminal statutes as well as pursuant to a district court's contempt powers. If an individual discloses grand jury material with the intent to obstruct an ongoing investigation, he or she may be prosecuted for obstruction of justice under 18 U.S.C. § 1503. SeeUnited States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 675-679 (6th Cir. 1985), cert. denied, 475 U.S. 1142 (1986); United States v. Howard, 569 F.2d 1331, 1334-1335 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 439 U.S. 834 (1978).


Unfortunately it's a done deal, especially considering executive privilege has been issued. Congress can take the DoJ to court but the court will uphold the laws that I have listed above.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Enoch07 said:
I know all this, and what I said holds true according to your article. But also there is this because Congress is limited in certain regards as is the other 2 branches. I'll leave this for you.

156. Disclosure of matters occurring before the grand jury to Department of Justice attorneys and Assistant United States Attorneys

An excerpt: Rule 6(e)(3)(A)(i) does not authorize disclosure to attorneys for other Federal government agencies. SeeUnited States v. Bates, 627 F.2d 349, 351 (D.C.Cir. 1980). Nor is disclosure permitted under this section to attorneys for States or local governments. In re Holovachka, 317 F.2d 834 (7th Cir. 1963); Corona Construction Co. v. Ampress Brick Co., Inc., 376 F. Supp. 598 (N.D.Ill. 1974).

Another excerpt: outlying the legality of A.G.Barr releasing unredacted grand jury info:

The unauthorized disclosure of grand jury information can also be punished under other criminal statutes as well as pursuant to a district court's contempt powers. If an individual discloses grand jury material with the intent to obstruct an ongoing investigation, he or she may be prosecuted for obstruction of justice under 18 U.S.C. § 1503. SeeUnited States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 675-679 (6th Cir. 1985), cert. denied, 475 U.S. 1142 (1986); United States v. Howard, 569 F.2d 1331, 1334-1335 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 439 U.S. 834 (1978).


Unfortunately it's a done deal, especially considering executive privilege has been issued. Congress can take the DoJ to court but the court will uphold the laws that I have listed above.
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Earlier in another thread I posted a link to a law that explained why and how they were allowed. I don't feel like finding that in the middle of the night.

And no, abuse of executive privilege does not mean that it is a "done deal". Don't you think Nixon would have tried something like that? If Trump had not obstructed justice before he has now. Trump cannot use executive privilege to end an investigation into his activities.
 
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dianaiad said:
Well, I don't see where 'freedom of the press' means that one has to give unlimited access to one at all times. Curtailing access isn't curtailing freedom of the press as long as those reporters can still write pretty much what they want....and they can.

The thing is, by curtailing access one is ALSO not controlling what the press hears from you. it's a nasty circle; if you don't admit the stinkers into press conferences, you can't control what they hear from you....and thus have considerably less control over what they write.

Not that I am all that unsympathetic to either side here...Trump does have the right to press conferences that are press conferences rather than venues for partisan political attacks such as the ones Jim Acosta pulled.

And the press should have the right to send representatives. As it happens, it looks like the new 'rules' allow the press to do just that, though there are a great many reporters with press passes, and not all THAT many chairs in the press room.

Solution? A. Reporters should be less partisan and more objective. Do that and if Trump 'gets testy,' he won't have any 'legs' to stand on. Right now, the press corps is pretty obviously biased left. They did NOT treat Obama the way they treat Trump.

For instance...when Obama was caught telling Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to work with Putin after his election, which IMO is FAR more evidence of 'collusion' with Russia than anything the Trump campaign might have done...the press corps did absolutely nothing that rose to the level of what happens in a Trump press conference.

The difference is so blazingly obvious as should be crystal even to the most extreme left winger. And there seem to be quite a few of those in the White House press corps.

In other words, the press corps has brought this upon themselves. If they start being the objective reporters they CLAIM to be, their passes will be returned. I don't mean 'biased right.' I mean 'objective.'
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Members of the White House Press Corp, did this to themselves by their own actions. They demonstrated, for two years, most of the member press was nothing but the propaganda wing of the Democrats party.

This fact was made clear, when everyone in the White House Press Corp was given a two year exam for credibility called the collusion delusion. Those who failed the test of competency, got kicked to the curb for trash pick-up.

The founding fathers put members of the press on a pedestal, because they assumed journalists were honest people doing a job. The decision to get rid of the dishonest journalists was in the spirit of the Constitution. The founding fathers did not support a lying and dishonest press court who's job was to suck up to power, and take out their competition with lies. This is not press, but an extension of corrupt power that needs to be investigated by the press.

The job of the press is to find the truth behind the power. The job is not to act as a smoke screen for those in power, who commit crimes. Much of the press disqualified itself by its partisan actions and its dumb as a stump investigative skills. The founding fathers did not expect the press to be morons, either.

The big stories, that real journalists will want to investigate, is the Democrat Party corruption and spying, starting with the rigging of the Democrat primary against Bernie Sanders. This expanded into the spying on members of the press, and then spying on Trump when he was a candidate. There is now a paper trail to Loretta Lynch, connected to the fake dossier and the FISA Court. This is gets real close to Obama and Hillary.

Real journalists will investigate this, now that the Mueller report is done and everyone is wondering why this two year miscarriage of justice was allowed to happen, under the nose of the so-called press, who wants to be put on a pedestal? The propagandists, will still not ask the real questions, but try to set up another round of distraction, to avoid the truth becoming known.
 
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dianaiad

dianaiad

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Enoch07 said:
Not me I gotta buy a subscription that cost $100 to view the Washington post apparently. Oh well just more fake news I guess.
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I was able to read this article, but not any others from the Washington Post. The same thing happened to me last month: one article, then I couldn't read any more without buying a subscription.

No.

I won't subscribe to the WP, or Huffington Post. My income is limited and my subscription budget is limited too. I don't subscribe to magazines or newspapers, not even my own local one.

At any rate, it looks like the WP allows one to look at one article per month..(maybe it's a month, maybe my access to this one is a fluke and it's just one, period) and then one's access is gone.

Now, if that article had been in Threads or a really good quilting magazine, I might have been temped....but no.
 
Audie

Audie

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wellwisher said:
Members of the White House Press Corp, did this to themselves by their own actions. They demonstrated, for two years, most of the member press was nothing but the propaganda wing of the Democrats party.

This fact was made clear, when everyone in the White House Press Corp was given a two year exam for credibility called the collusion delusion. Those who failed the test of competency, got kicked to the curb for trash pick-up.

The founding fathers put members of the press on a pedestal, because they assumed journalists were honest people doing a job. The decision to get rid of the dishonest journalists was in the spirit of the Constitution. The founding fathers did not support a lying and dishonest press court who's job was to suck up to power, and take out their competition with lies. This is not press, but an extension of corrupt power that needs to be investigated by the press.

The job of the press is to find the truth behind the power. The job is not to act as a smoke screen for those in power, who commit crimes. Much of the press disqualified itself by its partisan actions and its dumb as a stump investigative skills. The founding fathers did not expect the press to be morons, either.

The big stories, that real journalists will want to investigate, is the Democrat Party corruption and spying, starting with the rigging of the Democrat primary against Bernie Sanders. This expanded into the spying on members of the press, and then spying on Trump when he was a candidate. There is now a paper trail to Loretta Lynch, connected to the fake dossier and the FISA Court. This is gets real close to Obama and Hillary.

Real journalists will investigate this, now that the Mueller report is done and everyone is wondering why this two year miscarriage of justice was allowed to happen, under the nose of the so-called press, who wants to be put on a pedestal? The propagandists, will still not ask the real questions, but try to set up another round of distraction, to avoid the truth becoming known.
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They did pretty much do it to themselves.
In Asia, they dont do "personalities" on the
news. The show it not about them, but about the
news.

Here, they are celebs, and highly political
ones, so of course they have to posture
and make themselves part of the news
with their behaviour toward t he president.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
wellwisher said:
Members of the White House Press Corp, did this to themselves by their own actions. They demonstrated, for two years, most of the member press was nothing but the propaganda wing of the Democrats party.

This fact was made clear, when everyone in the White House Press Corp was given a two year exam for credibility called the collusion delusion. Those who failed the test of competency, got kicked to the curb for trash pick-up.

The founding fathers put members of the press on a pedestal, because they assumed journalists were honest people doing a job. The decision to get rid of the dishonest journalists was in the spirit of the Constitution. The founding fathers did not support a lying and dishonest press court who's job was to suck up to power, and take out their competition with lies. This is not press, but an extension of corrupt power that needs to be investigated by the press.

The job of the press is to find the truth behind the power. The job is not to act as a smoke screen for those in power, who commit crimes. Much of the press disqualified itself by its partisan actions and its dumb as a stump investigative skills. The founding fathers did not expect the press to be morons, either.

The big stories, that real journalists will want to investigate, is the Democrat Party corruption and spying, starting with the rigging of the Democrat primary against Bernie Sanders. This expanded into the spying on members of the press, and then spying on Trump when he was a candidate. There is now a paper trail to Loretta Lynch, connected to the fake dossier and the FISA Court. This is gets real close to Obama and Hillary.

Real journalists will investigate this, now that the Mueller report is done and everyone is wondering why this two year miscarriage of justice was allowed to happen, under the nose of the so-called press, who wants to be put on a pedestal? The propagandists, will still not ask the real questions, but try to set up another round of distraction, to avoid the truth becoming known.
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Yeah, asking Trump questions, holding him to account? The nerve!
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

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Subduction Zone said:
The man is no "Hitler", just incredibly venal and corrupt. He cannot stand up to the "loyal opposition" .
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There is no 'loyal opposition' Just opposition.

And the PRESS isn't supposed to be opposed OR 'loyal,' if one thinks of 'loyal' as 'on my side.'

The press is supposed to be objective. At least, that's what I was taught in college. Now my fellow students bought that particular bit of clap trap, that the press is objective, but I went to college late in life and I know better. The press is people, and people are no objective. However, we have forgotten a lot, we folks who didn't live in the first half of the twentieth century. We have forgotten the joys of "Yellow Journalism."

you MIGHT want to do a little investigation into the sinking of the Lusitania, and how the PRESS got us into WWI because of its ability to set agendas; an ability that it still has and still uses with great effect.

So now everybody is buying 'the press is objective' mantra...but the press is probably the most partisan group there is, and always has been. Right NOW it's mostly biased left, and very strongly so. That hasn't always been so...it has been biased right, but not for a very long time.

What it is not and never has been is 'objective.' I have to say, getting it there would be a very good thing. Unprecedented, but very good.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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dianaiad said:
There is no 'loyal opposition' Just opposition.

And the PRESS isn't supposed to be opposed OR 'loyal,' if one thinks of 'loyal' as 'on my side.'

The press is supposed to be objective. At least, that's what I was taught in college. Now my fellow students bought that particular bit of clap trap, that the press is objective, but I went to college late in life and I know better. The press is people, and people are no objective. However, we have forgotten a lot, we folks who didn't live in the first half of the twentieth century. We have forgotten the joys of "Yellow Journalism."

you MIGHT want to do a little investigation into the sinking of the Lusitania, and how the PRESS got us into WWI because of its ability to set agendas; an ability that it still has and still uses with great effect.

So now everybody is buying 'the press is objective' mantra...but the press is probably the most partisan group there is, and always has been. Right NOW it's mostly biased left, and very strongly so. That hasn't always been so...it has been biased right, but not for a very long time.

What it is not and never has been is 'objective.' I have to say, getting it there would be a very good thing. Unprecedented, but very good.
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You do not seem to understand the use of scare quotes. At any rate the press that Trump opposes is far more objective than the press that supports him. He has no business excluding a large percentage of the press from confreneces. It makes the press conferences rather meaningless. Press conferences are not meant to be campaign rallies. They are more like a periodic report card where the President has to hold himself accountable to the American people. Since a large percentage of the public are going to opppose the Presient, no matter which party he belongs to, the press that will not kiss his wrinkled obese heinie belong there too.
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

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Subduction Zone said:
You do not seem to understand the use of scare quotes.
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My repeatitian of the 'scare quotes' and response to them show that I very much do understand their use. SZ. ....and pointing out what you think is a flaw in my grammar is not the same thing as addressing the meat of the argument.

Subduction Zone said:
At any rate the press that Trump opposes is far more objective than the press that supports him.
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You are entitled to your opinion. It's wrong, but you are entitled to it. Just sayin'.

Subduction Zone said:
He has no business excluding a large percentage of the press from confreneces. It makes the press conferences rather meaningless. Press conferences are not meant to be campaign rallies. They are more like a periodic report card where the President has to hold himself accountable to the American people. Since a large percentage of the public are going to opppose the Presient, no matter which party he belongs to, the press that will not kiss his wrinkled obese heinie belong there too.
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Uhuh. I see that you are showing your objective side here just fine.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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dianaiad said:
My repeatitian of the 'scare quotes' and response to them show that I very much do understand their use. SZ. ....and pointing out what you think is a flaw in my grammar is not the same thing as addressing the meat of the argument.



You are entitled to your opinion. It's wrong, but you are entitled to it. Just sayin'.



Uhuh. I see that you are showing your objective side here just fine.
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Oh my multi-level fail.
 
SkepticThinker

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wellwisher said:
Members of the White House Press Corp, did this to themselves by their own actions. They demonstrated, for two years, most of the member press was nothing but the propaganda wing of the Democrats party.

This fact was made clear, when everyone in the White House Press Corp was given a two year exam for credibility called the collusion delusion. Those who failed the test of competency, got kicked to the curb for trash pick-up.

The founding fathers put members of the press on a pedestal, because they assumed journalists were honest people doing a job. The decision to get rid of the dishonest journalists was in the spirit of the Constitution. The founding fathers did not support a lying and dishonest press court who's job was to suck up to power, and take out their competition with lies. This is not press, but an extension of corrupt power that needs to be investigated by the press.

The job of the press is to find the truth behind the power. The job is not to act as a smoke screen for those in power, who commit crimes. Much of the press disqualified itself by its partisan actions and its dumb as a stump investigative skills. The founding fathers did not expect the press to be morons, either.

The big stories, that real journalists will want to investigate, is the Democrat Party corruption and spying, starting with the rigging of the Democrat primary against Bernie Sanders. This expanded into the spying on members of the press, and then spying on Trump when he was a candidate. There is now a paper trail to Loretta Lynch, connected to the fake dossier and the FISA Court. This is gets real close to Obama and Hillary.

Real journalists will investigate this, now that the Mueller report is done and everyone is wondering why this two year miscarriage of justice was allowed to happen, under the nose of the so-called press, who wants to be put on a pedestal? The propagandists, will still not ask the real questions, but try to set up another round of distraction, to avoid the truth becoming known.
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I have to wonder what people are talking about when they say things like the press have "dumb as a stump investigative skills."
Really?
Because I start thinking about how for the last two years the Press has been reporting on all kinds of things that have occurred that have now been corroborated by the release of the Mueller Report. So it appears that members of the press actually do have half decent investigative skills.

And what is it that Jim Acosta do that was so bad? Asked a question and then insisted on an answer to it? The horror! What kind of journalist would do such a thing?! o_O

Sorry but the rest of this is just some crap taken from Trump's tweets or something. I tend not to believe people who lie all day long, every day.
 
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Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Subduction Zone said:
Earlier in another thread I posted a link to a law that explained why and how they were allowed. I don't feel like finding that in the middle of the night.

And no, abuse of executive privilege does not mean that it is a "done deal". Don't you think Nixon would have tried something like that? If Trump had not obstructed justice before he has now. Trump cannot use executive privilege to end an investigation into his activities.
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It's not abuse. Obama did it to protect Holder. You didn't complain about abuse then so.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Enoch07 said:
I doubt it. But it doesn't matter either way. Its just my opinion, and it's legal so it is what it is.
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No, your opinion is not "legal". You did not even understand basic constitutional law on how Congress can investigate the president. You ignorantly asked something on the order of "what law would they make" in regards to Trump's tax returns. As investigators they do have a legal right to the report.
 
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