Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
If you think evolution is about "crossbreeding"...
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Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible
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sooda
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Clearly not... as my replies in this post shows. It appears you like the atheists you got these questions from did not use the knowledge of the bible or the brain God gave you to see the truth.
Mans life did not come from the soil it was breathed into man by God himself. The age of the earth, like man and creation was created years old on the one day it took God to create these things.
Christians do not require answers for atheists as you can see it is atheists who need to get their facts right before attempting to ridicule a religion and the Word of God they clearly have no real knowledge about. :-{[/QUOTE]
I had no idea that you believed that Genesis was history.
sooda
Veteran Member
Some claim that unless you believe those things are real and historically accurate, you can't be a REAL Christian.
Humanists also reject the Bible because it approves of outrageous cruelty and injustice. In civilized legal systems, a fundamental principle is that the suffering of the innocent is the essence of injustice. Yet the Bible teaches that God repeatedly violated this moral precept by harming innocent people.
Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American ...
americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
WE ALL KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, AND HAVE SAID AS MUCH.
The problem is that you are making truth claims in a debate forum. Claims that go beyond your "personal relationships with God." That means the burden of proof for those assertions is on you. It doesn't matter if you like it or not - that's simply how logic works.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Subduction Zone,
For so long you have been fixed in a zone where you think the same questions and answers always apply.
You have no logical arguments and you reduce yourself to replies which are simply beneath you and show contempt rather than honest reasoning and answers.
Since when has the faith in YHWH been about the world? When has it been about a worldly kingdom?
If we are to talk about anything to do with God or the bible then you have to be versed in Scripture and understand what the Prophets and Christ spoke about based on the teachings.
Take Christ for example he made a simple statement,
31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Can you answer why Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world? If Christ was not answerable to the world why do you assume anyone who belongs to his Kingdom would be?
Like those before and those after you, you have to find your own answers. So why would a member of Christs Kingdom apply anything to the world when the Kingdom is not of this world?
Why did you not know that if you claim to speak from knowledge and understanding of Christ and his Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is by Gods way not mans.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
No! I said that there has been nothing evolved into something other than what it was created.
That cross breeding IS NOT EVOLUTION and Evolution is but a theory a theory because it has never been proved.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
I had no idea that you believed that Genesis was history.[/QUOTE]
Why should it matter that I believe Gods word is truth? The fact is that life in man came from God himself. The other is that the soil he formed Adam from was cursed when he fell.
Some people do not appear to study that which they need to know if to make an informed answer or ask a question in debate.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Nah! you give yourself less credit every time you reply.
Never been beyond personal relationship with God. If I want to discuss the bible I am at a right to do so. I am also allowed to debate the statements in the bible because atheists cannot disprove them as a truth. The fact is I am under no burden to provide proof otherwise you too would have to provide proof the bible statements are not truth. Assertions are all you have as a personal matter of faith in what you believe. My personal faith is a matter for myself only. The Logic therefore is that you and no one else can ask for proof in a subject you cannot provide any for., Be it personal belief or otherwise. So unless you can debate the bible or any faith with a stance of evidence independent of your personal belief you are chasing your tail.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Science doesn't "prove" anything. It does, however, supply evidence either in support of or against things. And so far, ALL evidence points to evolution being a correct theory.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Seriously, you are the last one that should be accusing others of not reasoning logically. You have not been able to follow the arguments presented to you. I and others have tried to correct you. That is all. No contempt has been aimed at you.
So you are saying it is all about make believe?
Yes, I can answer your questions. Try to ask them without unneeded fluff.
You probably do not realize that since Jesus did not meet the actual messianic prophecies that the writers of the gospels faked it, at least to some degree.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When you make statements like this it looks like you are trying to earn the contempt that you speak of.
Theories are never proven, but then neither are scientific laws. Theories explain facts. For example the theory of gravity (also known as General Relativity, Einstein's work that surpassed the work of Newton, but is still not perfect) explains the fact of gravity. That it has not been "proven" does not mean that it is a good idea to jump off of cliffs. The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution. It has not been "proven" but it has been confirmed millions of times. Theories are tested. Again and again and again. If it passes a test it is confirmed. That does not mean that it is absolutely true, but it gives us more confidence in it. Creationists are afraid to properly test their ideas since they know that they would fail. Or be shown to be wrong. In fact the Bible makes predictions that we do not see in the real world which is why we know that Genesis is a book of myths. It is not hard to learn what predictions are made in the Genesis myths and why they fail.
Would you care to learn?
joelr
Well-Known Member
It is in history.
The prophecies don't even fit a little bit. This is why Christians don't run around claiming the prophecies from Revelations came true.
If you want to talk math, there were more people killed post WW1 from airplanes.
There were more bombing runs after WW1 in the interm period than in WW1
And that's just one prophecy. The other fail even worse. A random forest fire and an earthquake in the U.S, not even in the same year, blended into one prophecy?
Your views are not even one of the several interpretations Christians have put on the seals? You might consider educating yourself and picking a view that at least have been accepted as somewhat reasonable?
Just because some cult/group made up a ridiculous interpretation doesn't mean you should believe it.
Seven seals - Wikipedia
joelr
Well-Known Member
Fiction written by non-eyewitnesses. Written in a non-historical , mythical style (similar to other religions of the period) with no corroborating evidence, that's your "logical evidence"?
Kelly of the Phoenix
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And war/political propaganda. The bible is the Fox News of its time and place.
The states with the highest rates of that are governed by conservatives.
But we can wonder why God can't seem to be more persuasive.
You might not be able to completely, but there are certainly claims that can be falsified. If God is said to flood an entire planet and there is no evidence of such, it didn't happen. If God said millions of Hebrews walked for 40 years on a two week trip through the desert and yet we can't even find a single campsite, it didn't happen. You don't even really have to engage with reality, though. Even looking at God as a literary character, things just don't add up. If He had a tenth of the claimed abilities, most of the bible's plot wouldn't have even happened.
But if God is telling you the bible is factually accurate, that God is lying.
Then why does God always seem so threatened by non-belief? He isn't Tinkerbell, right? Unbelief isn't going to kill Him, right?
Yeah, but if you (as well as I) believe God is real, then a real entity should be able to provide atheists with the evidence needed, but He doesn't. Why is that? Why should someone get mad that someone can't hear a radio station on FM when the radio only gets AM? Isn't it the fault of the one that gave them the wrong radio?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You really do not understand burden of proof. I've run out of ways to explain it to you. It's getting pretty frustrating at this point. I don't think the debate forums are for you.
Burden of proof is part of logic. You are not using logic and should not use the word to describe your method of argumentation.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Hello Joelr,
If you apply the above to history concerning the man called Christ whose existence is well documented throughout the world due to the disciples and other believers taking the message
throughout the world then you MUST and have to apply the same to ALL historical figures because you were not there to witness it.
Logically, your opinion is not based on any supportive evidence. Anyone can write what you write but it isn't sustainable given that Christ is more famous than any other historical before him and after him. All religions have famous figures but none more well known and whose name is known by all places we know about. The corners of the earth is where this historical figure is really heading but none of the others will be remembered by as many throughout history.
Sometimes such statements are not really of any use when you write something even yourself, knows is untrue.
You are a witness that you know about Jesus Christ and the truth is you probably know more about him than any other historical figure. More poignantly you know his words those he spoke.
When you think about this you see the truth of his words abounding.
Matthew 24:35 King James Version (KJV)
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. You see you are a witness that 2,000 years on his words have not passed away and continue to do so.
King James Bible
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Isaiah 53.
If you read the bible had Christ been a false prophet, then like the many others his words would have died with him.
So the only thing we can do is debate the evidence. The evidence suggests that Christ is a true prophet and his words are true.
To the point what he spoke is coming to pass then there is very little we can do to deny his existence of the affect his presence on earth has had on the history of mankind.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
Did I say liberal fundamentalism or secularism? I'm not even sure what liberal fundamentalism means.
First of all, lets address the AIDs issue. Would you like to google the theological positions of the governments of countries with the highest AIDs rates? What about the AIDs rates of more secular countries (the UK, scandi countries)? If you're gonna quote something, back it up. VD is the same issue, despite it being listed seperately.
Secondly, porno related crime. I'm assuming you mean sex crimes. Again, should we take a look at those statistics for heavily religous countries? How about the catholic church?
Divorce isn't necessarily a negative thing, unless your argument is that people should be stuck together no matter what. I'm pro divorce if it means people are happier as a result.
Breakdown of the family unit? As opposed to being stuck with a violent drunk as a dad? Sure, I'll take that. Kids grow up more balanced with happy, divorced parents than unhappy married ones.
I forgot social divisions... which is exactly the opposite of secularism. You're arguing from a point that is misogynistic and homophobic at its core...
Blah blah blah more unproved points that have nothing to do with the morality of secularism. Moral depavity... come on. Your religion (assuming youre an abrahamic theist) proposes that we are all born evil and have to spend a lifetime grovelling to an invisible god who may or may not give you cancer. Also, anyone who doesnt believe will be tortured forever. And you want to talk about moral depravity?
As for the final points, theyre just incorrect. It doesn't encourage left wing fanatascism. I vote centre right, and we have a conservative government despite being largely secular in attitude. Reverse racism is secularism done wrong, and I agree with multiculturalism being backwards, most of the world's intelligisma is atheist or agnostic (it seems that the cleverer you are, the less you see god).
Sodom and Gomorrah are fairy tales told to scare theists and children into being scared of their sky dad. You'll forgive me if I assign them to the "tooth fairy file".
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
All of what you said is true. Believers don't have burden of proof just because they believe. Its those who try to negate others rights and offer their god as a reason to do so, or those who make claims of truth and knowledge that have a burden to meet, and I'm afraid it just has never been met. Ever. By anyone that I know of, and I've done my fair share of hours researching.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Here's your "tooth fairy" claim coming back to bite you:
The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah-Part 1 | John Ankerberg Show
The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah-Part 2 | John Ankerberg Show
Excerpt / Conclusion: "When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago."
sooda
Veteran Member
There is no trace of Sodom and
There is no trace of Sodom and Gomorah andankabrrg is a con artist.