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Why is divination considered a sin to Christians?

Zita

Zita

Solitary Eclectic Witch
nPeace said:
Not always the case, my friend. People will see things right before their eyes and deny that it is what it is. They will offer some other explanation for it. No amount of evidence convinces them.
Have you not experienced this before.
You might see your lips turn green and say, "Wait. This might not be the egg! I had some frog legs this morning..."

However, that's one way we get evidence - especially when we experience it for ourselves, and it's not just a feeling, it's most convincing, but would you not agree that we sometimes have evidence that may be just as solid although not direct, but may call for reason, and logic?
For example, the one I mentioned earlier. Do you realize that the Bible alone, is the only book which has been translated into more languages and available to over 90% of the world's population.
There is a lot more evidence which when combined makes a solid case for the Bible being God's word. The stronger the evidence, the stronger the case - the more convincing, so we need to examine the evidence sincerely. I'm sure you agree.
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I see the evidence of a large amount of people reading the bible and all them translated versions, that's another reason why I don't believe in the stuff in there.But that is something I can touch and have family and friends all over to have and or read. that's the kind of evidence I talked about, and proof.But Scriptures don't show me they are accurate or ever really happened. If I had real evidence of the things the bible says happen,then I would rethink it but that's not the case.
 
Zita

Zita

Solitary Eclectic Witch
and I can't say what someone else may do when evidence is given to them I can only say for myself!! and I believe as I dol
 
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Jos

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Yeah, but I'm not a fundamentalist or an evangelical so you and I have very few beliefs in common ..

I believe that Genesis and Exodus and Joshua are fiction. Arguing the finer points of myth is rather stupid,
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I'm not a fundamentalist or evangelical either... I'm not a Christian but thanks anyway.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Zita said:
I see the evidence of a large amount of people reading the bible and all them translated versions, that's another reason why I don't believe in the stuff in there.But that is something I can touch and have family and friends all over to have and or read. that's the kind of evidence I talked about, and proof.But Scriptures don't show me they are accurate or ever really happened. If I had real evidence of the things the bible says happen,then I would rethink it but that's not the case.
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Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Zita said:
One of the new age practices is through Divination, my definition of Divination is accessing Divine knowledge and/or Guidance,to increase your personal power and living a peaceful, happier,more fulfilled life,through using interpretive tools;like Tarot cards, the pendulum,numerology,astrology,Ouija board and meditation to name a few.Seems to me that it would be considered a positive thing,how can you say seeking the Divine is not a positive thing it's evil. I read tarot cards for myself and other people,I've tried to explain on several occasions that the cards aren't evil they are just objects, the person reading the cards would have to be the force that is evil and using for evil purposes.I have never so far had negative readings,the information has always helped or enlightened the person I'm reading for. The other tool I use on a regular basis is the pendulum,and once again it helped clear up and answered the person's questions.I've never had a problem!! and I always pray and ask for protection doing the readings from anything negative coming through! because yes there are negative spirits as well as positive,but as I said I have never had a problem or bad experience!! I am going to continue seeking the divine in the manner I am lead to, just like anyone else.
Hopefully there is someone who knows the answer to my question.
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My guess is Divination, as you define it, is grounded on something similar to statistics. We shuffle the Tarot cards, like a deck of playing card to randomize them. Then we deal the cards, and based on our hand, we set up a strategy for play, which in the case of Tarot, is the Tarot system. We are not winning money, but peace of mind. In a classic sense, the connection to randomness and statistics is more connected to Satan, since God is considered more casual; omniscience. Prophesy is considered more of a causal relationship than a statistical correlation.

One can see this same difference in science. There is a big difference between a rational relationship like E=MC2, that always applies to any situation where we have mass and energy, and a statistical correlation like coffee increases the risk of heart disease. The first is clean and clear. The second is nebulous and the interpretation can become subjective and can overstep rational. We may prohibit coffee, even though coffee does not affect all people the same. However the prohibition creates muscle for the illusion, so the correlation appears almost clean and rational.

Back in my earliest days of exploring the unconscious mind, I developed a unique divination method. I used a dictionary, where I would randomly flip the pages to get answers to questions. Since a dictionary has every word and all their many definitions, there was something for any occasion.

Like gambling, there were times I had winning streaks that were quite remarkable. It was like talking to a spirit guide; one on one. Other times, nothing made sense. But either way, it was an addictive comfort in times of unique situations, created by my research. It was also built for speed, and came in very handy in terms of turning in a dime between fast paced creative alternatives. I don't use the dictionary oracle anymore, since I can do something similar, without any physical intermediary object.

I remember one time visiting friends while on a vacation. I took their dictionary, which was on a table, and was going to demonstrate the dictionary oracle as a party trick. I had not seen them for years, and they always seemed like the perfect couple. My friend's wife was interested to see how it worked and asked me to answer the question she was thinking but she did not tell me.

I randomly flipped and the word divorce came up. I closed the book immediately, but she saw it, and said it out loud. Not too much time later, they were separated due to irreconcilable differences, I did not know. I felt bad and stopped using it around other people.
 
Zita

Zita

Solitary Eclectic Witch
wellwisher said:
My guess is Divination, as you define it, is grounded on something similar to statistics. We shuffle the Tarot cards, like a deck of playing card to randomize them. Then we deal the cards, and based on our hand, we set up a strategy for play, which in the case of Tarot, is the Tarot system. We are not winning money, but peace of mind. In a classic sense, the connection to randomness and statistics is more connected to Satan, since God is considered more casual; omniscience. Prophesy is considered more of a causal relationship than a statistical correlation.

One can see this same difference in science. There is a big difference between a rational relationship like E=MC2, that always applies to any situation where we have mass and energy, and a statistical correlation like coffee increases the risk of heart disease. The first is clean and clear. The second is nebulous and the interpretation can become subjective and can overstep rational. We may prohibit coffee, even though coffee does not affect all people the same. However the prohibition creates muscle for the illusion, so the correlation appears almost clean and rational.

Back in my earliest days of exploring the unconscious mind, I developed a unique divination method. I used a dictionary, where I would randomly flip the pages to get answers to questions. Since a dictionary has every word and all their many definitions, there was something for any occasion.

Like gambling, there were times I had winning streaks that were quite remarkable. It was like talking to a spirit guide; one on one. Other times, nothing made sense. But either way, it was an addictive comfort in times of unique situations, created by my research. It was also built for speed, and came in very handy in terms of turning in a dime between fast paced creative alternatives. I don't use the dictionary oracle anymore, since I can do something similar, without any physical intermediary object.

I remember one time visiting friends while on a vacation. I took their dictionary, which was on a table, and was going to demonstrate the dictionary oracle as a party trick. I had not seen them for years, and they always seemed like the perfect couple. My friend's wife was interested to see how it worked and asked me to answer the question she was thinking but she did not tell me.

I randomly flipped and the word divorce came up. I closed the book immediately, but she saw it, and said it out loud. Not too much time later, they were separated due to irreconcilable differences, I did not know. I felt bad and stopped using it around other people.
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I found your post interesting but it didn't answer my question of why Christians see Divination as a sin? could you be more clear on what your answer is.
 
Zita

Zita

Solitary Eclectic Witch
Zita said:
I see the evidence of a large amount of people reading the bible and all them translated versions, that's another reason why I don't believe in the stuff in there.But that is something I can touch and have family and friends all over to have and or read. that's the kind of evidence I talked about, and proof.But Scriptures don't show me they are accurate or ever really happened. If I had real evidence of the things the bible says happen,then I would rethink it but that's not the case.
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ok what evidence do you have supporting something in the bible?
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
sooda said:
I have no clue.. nPeace threw it up as some insider knowledge of faith.
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Satan may be a myth to you, but you seem so alike.
He pretends to be what he is not, and makes up stories - lies.
Why have you chosen to do both - inserting my name in something you made up?
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Zita said:
I see the evidence of a large amount of people reading the bible and all them translated versions, that's another reason why I don't believe in the stuff in there.But that is something I can touch and have family and friends all over to have and or read. that's the kind of evidence I talked about, and proof.But Scriptures don't show me they are accurate or ever really happened. If I had real evidence of the things the bible says happen,then I would rethink it but that's not the case.
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I have observed people misunderstand, misinterpret, and twist someone's words. It didn't make me doubt the truthfulness of what the person said. Nor did it invalidate, their words, or make them false.
Would you dismiss the words of someone who seemed truthful, just because people did not agree with that person, and even contradicted them?
That would not be reasonable, would it?
You would examine the person's words, and weight them against the evidence and facts, rather than allow the various contradicting and conflicting thoughts to sway you, would you not? Why would we treat the words in the Bible any differently?
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Zita said:
ok what evidence do you have supporting something in the bible?
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I'm not sure if this is addressed to me, or someone else.
There is plenty evidence though, supporting much of the Bible - evidence both internal, and external.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Quoting the article...
If the Humanist view of the Bible is correct, millions of Bible-believers and churchgoers are wasting much time, money, and energy. Humanity’s condition could be greatly improved if those resources were used for solving the world’s problems instead of worshiping a nonexistent God.

Moreover, because so many people have been told the Bible is the “Good Book,” biblical teachings shape the attitudes of millions on numerous subjects. When the subjects involve governmental issues, all of society can be affected when Bible-believers express their views in the political arena.

Contradictions
The Bible is an unreliable authority because it contains numerous contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The biblical contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible.

Examples of Old Testament Contradictions
The contradictions start in the opening chapters of the Bible, where inconsistent creation stories are told. Genesis chapter 1 says the first man and woman were made at the same time, and after the animals. But Genesis chapter 2 gives a different order of creation: man, then the animals, and then woman.

Let's see...

Clearly, it is evident that the humanist here do not know what they are talking about, and from the start the humanist's views are not only incorrect, but false, and baseless.
From a start like that, we can determine the base of the article, which show an obvious lack of understanding - even an inability to properly access and analyze a document.

Rather than spend time knocking every point, it would be more profitable to list the reasons why we know the Bible is true.
First, it would only be fair to show the extent of the article's first error.

They jumped to a false assumption, and it is obvious that it is an intentional attempt to just randomly pick something, and make up any kind of accusation however false.
Where did the Bible ever say "the first man and woman were made at the same time"?
Nowhere.

Chapter 2 clearly says, verse 4, "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven". So if the humanist here truly applied any kind of logic to their reasoning, it would be obvious to them, that Genesis 1, is an overview of the six creative days, and Genesis 2, is a historical summary of just a few of the events.
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So when we magnify that...
The fact that persons base their view that the Bible has contradictions, on their misguided opinions is noteworthy. It shows that the contradictions are not found in the Bible, but exist in the head of the skeptics. It is also clear that the arguments put forth in the article, are views based on biased opinions.

With that out of the way...
Currently, there is ongoing excavations being carried out in the ancient city of Jerusalem, and discoveries are being made, some of which irrefutably confirm the Biblical record.
City of David Top Finds #1: King Hezekiah's Royal Seal
City of David Top Finds #8: House of David Inscription

Recall how God shut the mouth of the lions? I think although the evidence at times shut the mouth of critics, it will take God's hand to finally shut and seal them. I believe that day.is near. (Ezekiel 6:10)

We can get a clear picture of history when we use the Biblical record.

Just as people trust the records made by the Assyrians, and others, there is no reason to doubt the record of the Jewish people - Israelites - especially when time after time, evidence confirms its reliability.

Hezekiah's Tunnel

(2 Kings 23:11) . . .And he prohibited the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun from entering the house of Jehovah by the chamber of Naʹthan-melʹech the court official, which was in the porticoes; and he burned the chariots of the sun in the fire.

Nathan-melech - Wikipedia
"O Jehovah, . . . I Trust in You"

The Bible is historically accurate, and reliable; scientifically accurate and reliable; prophetically accurate and reliable.
The Bible can also be trusted for its time-tested practical wisdom, and harmonious message.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
nPeace said:
The Bible is historically accurate, and reliable; scientifically accurate and reliable; prophetically accurate and reliable.
The Bible can also be trusted for its time-tested practical wisdom, and harmonious message.
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You must be joking.
 
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