Socialist Democrats will not keep illegals in declared sanctuary citys. GOP passes ban in FLA.

Twilight Hue · Apr 28, 2019

Florida House passes GOP immigration 'sanctuary' ban bill

A victory for actual US citizens. And a real respect established for immigration laws that will protect all born and naturalized citizens in the state of Florida.

Socialist Democrats cannot declare Sanctuary cities within Florida state lines encouraging illegals to come.

Jumi · Apr 29, 2019

Socialist seems like fascist, politicians use it as an easy smear that means nothing.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Jumi said:
Socialist seems like fascist, politicians use it as an easy smear that means nothing.

The word has little weight or meaning anymore. Now it's used as a lazy slur to refer to anything that conservatives either don't like or don't understand.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Even though I'm mostly liberal, illegal immigration is an issue I don't swing left on. Of course you cannot allow anyone to enter without any sort of vetting or documentation process. That said, migrants should be treated with empathy and pity rather than with disdain and resentment. They're mostly families desperately seeking to escape a life of violence and poverty.

sun rise · Apr 29, 2019

The Ministry of Truth has put out the word that socialism is an evil word which must be used to describe the left.

Jumi · Apr 29, 2019

Father Heathen said:
Even though I'm mostly liberal, illegal immigration is an issue I don't swing left on. Of course you cannot allow anyone to enter without any sort of vetting or documentation process. That said, migrants should be treated with empathy and pity rather than with disdain and resentment. They're mostly families desperately seeking to escape a life of violence and poverty.

Yes and isn't it interesting that immigration is left versus right only by country and time period. Many right-wing argue for cheap labor from poorer countries even if it means illegal immigrants. Many people funding right-wing use that labor so they don't have to pay the locals as much and it's a good reason to drive wages and costs down. For similar reasons some left-wing are opposed to it.

In my country we had two communist parties (with around 0% support mind you), one was a workers party arguing for immigration limits and the other was for open borders.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Jumi said:
Yes and isn't it interesting that immigration is left versus right only by country and time period. Many right-wing argue for cheap labor from poorer countries even if it means illegal immigrants. Many people funding right-wing use that labor so they don't have to pay the locals as much and it's a good reason to drive wages and costs down. For similar reasons some left-wing are opposed to it.

A lot of those on the right would love cheap, exploitable labor, but they can't get pocketed politicians elected without the votes of the blue collar working class.

sun rise · Apr 29, 2019

Father Heathen said:
Even though I'm mostly liberal, illegal immigration is an issue I don't swing left on. Of course you cannot allow anyone to enter without any sort of vetting or documentation process. That said, migrants should be treated with empathy and pity rather than with disdain and resentment. They're mostly families desperately seeking to escape a life of violence and poverty.

My parents were such people. They were fleeing persecution and poverty and dictatorship (communism).

We need to keep criminals out but attacking as evil those who are looking for a better life for their family and are willing to work hard is to me indirectly an attack on my parents who came here with no English, almost no money but with a willingness to work hard and make a better life for me.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

sun rise said:
My parents were such people. They were fleeing persecution and poverty and dictatorship (communism).

We need to keep criminals out but attacking as evil those who are looking for a better life for their family and are willing to work hard is to me indirectly an attack on my parents who came here with no English, almost no money but with a willingness to work hard and make a better life for me.

It's as if many of these proclaimed "patriots" had forgotten their own roots and the inscription upon The Statue of Liberty.

Mindmaster · Apr 29, 2019

sun rise said:
The Ministry of Truth has put out the word that socialism is an evil word which must be used to describe the left.

Except that the leftists that identify themselves as socialists completely, like Bernie and Antifa.

There isn't much difference between "social democrat" and socialist, if you read the ink on their pages. As far as the "Ministry of Truth" that only exists in the context of the liberal media as no one else has that much control of the platform to disseminate their message. Pardon me, if I don't drink the k00l-aid.

The only Democrats not down with the socialist moniker are in hotly contested districts where such a title would put off the locals.

Twilight Hue · Apr 29, 2019

sun rise said:
My parents were such people. They were fleeing persecution and poverty and dictatorship (communism).

We need to keep criminals out but attacking as evil those who are looking for a better life for their family and are willing to work hard is to me indirectly an attack on my parents who came here with no English, almost no money but with a willingness to work hard and make a better life for me.

Did they pretty much jump the fence, waltzed in, and thumbed their noses at the authorities saying, "I dont need no stinkin application and screening process. Catch me if you can".

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Mindmaster said:
Pardon me, if I don't drink the k00l-aid.

Your red mustache betrays you. You simply drank from a different pitcher.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Nowhere Man said:
Did they pretty much jump the fence, waltzed in, and thumbed their noses at the authorities saying, "I dont need no stinkin application and screening process. Catch me if you can".

No, his parents weren't ridiculous straw men.

Jumi · Apr 29, 2019

Mindmaster said:
Except that the leftists that identify themselves as socialists completely, like Bernie and Antifa.

Antifa isn't a person(or democrat) and they include people who aren't socialist, like anarchists. Bernie might call himself a socialist, but then again he makes the mistake of calling Scandinavia socialist which we are not on government level. Like the democrats in general have false ideas about the Nordic model, but not quite as false as many of your country's "right-wing" representations of us.

Mindmaster said:
There isn't much difference between "social democrat" and socialist, if you read the ink on their pages. As far as the "Ministry of Truth" that only exists in the context of the liberal media as no one else has that much control of the platform to disseminate their message. Pardon me, if I don't drink the k00l-aid.

There's a lot of difference between social democrat and communist, in my country the Social Democrats allied with Americans during the cold war because they were known for being stricly anti-communist. It would be quite funny to see someone believing all the weird word equations politicians these days make try to read some history.

Mindmaster said:
The only Democrats not down with the socialist moniker are in hotly contested districts where such a title would put off the locals.

And those who aren't socialist, right?

Jumi · Apr 29, 2019

Father Heathen said:
It's as if many of these proclaimed "patriots" had forgotten their own roots and the inscription upon The Statue of Liberty.

I'd say what's interesting is how both democrats and republicans swing on the authoritarian side instead of libertarian, yet speak about "freedom" as a value that's disconnected from liberty.

Father Heathen · Apr 29, 2019

Jumi said:
I'd say what's interesting is how both democrats and republicans swing on the authoritarian side instead of libertarian, yet speak about "freedom" as a value that's disconnected from liberty.

Americans like to bellow loudly about freedom until it comes to anything "immoral" (cannabis, prostitution, gay marriage, etc.)

Twilight Hue · Apr 29, 2019

Father Heathen said:
No, his parents weren't ridiculous straw men.

The straw man was using that argument in the first place. If you had noticed it was in the context of a question not a statement.

Learn what a straw man is.

Audie · Apr 29, 2019

sun rise said:
My parents were such people. They were fleeing persecution and poverty and dictatorship (communism).

We need to keep criminals out but attacking as evil those who are looking for a better life for their family and are willing to work hard is to me indirectly an attack on my parents who came here with no English, almost no money but with a willingness to work hard and make a better life for me.

Does someone do that?

Audie · Apr 29, 2019

Nowhere Man said:
Did they pretty much jump the fence, waltzed in, and thumbed their noses at the authorities saying, "I dont need no stinkin application and screening process. Catch me if you can".

Mom and I came in through the front door,
did everything correctly. It is quite a process.

I have relatives in line, where they have waited
for years.

Stevicus · Apr 29, 2019

Jumi said:
Yes and isn't it interesting that immigration is left versus right only by country and time period. Many right-wing argue for cheap labor from poorer countries even if it means illegal immigrants. Many people funding right-wing use that labor so they don't have to pay the locals as much and it's a good reason to drive wages and costs down. For similar reasons some left-wing are opposed to it.

In my country we had two communist parties (with around 0% support mind you), one was a workers party arguing for immigration limits and the other was for open borders.

I never really saw immigration, in and of itself, as a right vs. left issue. As you say, it depends on the country and time period, as well as the motives for immigrating and the country of origin. A defector from a communist country was generally welcomed with open arms by the right-wing. When the freedom flotilla arrived from Cuba, they were allowed to enter.

As long as it makes US adversaries look bad, then immigration is okay from a right-wing point of view.

On the other hand, when they come from countries which are considered US allies (Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc.), then it's looked at differently. Those countries are US allies and considered capitalist paradises, so why would anyone in their right mind want to leave such a wonderful place? That's why the right-wing tends to paint them as they do, since they can't possibly be escaping persecution or oppression - since that would make US allies look bad, and it would make US foreign policy appear disingenuous. Can't have any of that.

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