The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

Porque77 · Nov 15, 2018

Faithofchristian, I said you this:

Porque77 said:
In Matthew 5:17 Jesus says that He did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets, and this Law is what Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel, because He Himself tells us that the Law and the foreheads is this:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Porque77 said:
I have already said it in the answer you have quoted. To help you understand things better, read this too:

Nothing has been abolished from the true Law that was given by God to Moses, and the true Law that was given to Moses are the commandments that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel. But from the Old Testament law many commandments have been abolished because they were not true commandments of God, but of men. Let's see some of the commandments of the old testament abolished by Jesus Christ:

The law of retaliation ("Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth") ABOLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and whosoever want to get to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your coat also, and whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" (Matthew 5:...)

The Jews were in the habit of applying the talionis law (law of revenge) in their judgments (eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn... and so on.), And so they wrote it in the laws of the old Testament (Exodus 21:24-25). The Lord abolished this law of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" because it was a law that did not included forgiveness or mercy, then weren't God's Law, because what God likes is the mercy.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you...." (Matthew 5...)

The Jews, often beheaded or hanged his enemies, and not only to them, but then, as says the laws of the Old Testament, entered the conquered peoples and in many cases children and women were slaughtered... Jesus Christ abolished these Old Testament laws and commands us to love our enemies.

Other Old Testament laws abolished by Jesus Christ:

"If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be dead". (Leviticus 20:10)

"And the daughter of any priest, if she fornicate, dishonor his father; she shall be burnt with fire" (Leviticus 21:9)

That Is not what Jesus did with the adulterous woman in the Gospel Example:

"And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life". (Juan 8:3-12)

With this teaching, Jesus abolished the Old Testament commandments that ordered kill people for various reasons. So far we have collected some examples of Old Testament commandments that Jesus abolished, but the argument that Jesus had with the Jews because of the law, is much broader and at this discussion is devoted a large part of the Gospel. Jesus taught us the true law of God.

ABOUT THE SHABBAT'S LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Says the Old Testament:

"And while the children of Israel in the wilderness , they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation, and put him in prison, because was not declared what should be done to him. and the Lord said to Moses: man dies, all the congregation shall stone him outside the camp. congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him, and died, as the LORD commanded Moses" (Numbers 15: 32-36)

That's not what Jesus commanded us:

"At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath, and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck heads of grain and eat. Seeing the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the day rest. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did when he and those with him were hungry, how he entered the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful to eat neither he nor those who were with him, but only for the priests ? or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? for I say that one greater than the temple is here. and if you had known what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, not have condemned the innocent, for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. " (Matthew 12: 1-8)

"Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.........

And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5: 8-18)

JESUS DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW. BUT, WHAT LAW?

Jesus broke the Sabbath and abolished many other Old Testament commandments. So which is the Law which will not pass one jot or tittle (Matthew 5: 18-19)?

When Jesus said that He had not come to abolish the law of God, many misinterpret it and say that Jesus did not come to abolish the law of the Old Testament. But that is a mistake, because Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, and we can see it clearly in the quotes I put of the Gospel.

Of the commandments of the Gospel, which are the true Law that God gave to Moses, no one jot no one tittle will pass. But the law of the Old Testament, all what Jesus Christ abolished, already passed, because they were only human regulations.

And it is that the true Law of God had been changed by the scribes, as Jeremiah tells us

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

And Jesus Christ revealed to us in the Gospel the commandments that were really given by God.

Faithofchristian, did you understand me?

Porque77 · Nov 16, 2018

Nobody understand that the God's Law was changed by scribes?

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

Porque77 · Nov 18, 2018

Porque77 said:
Nobody understand that the God's Law was changed by scribes?

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

It is very serious what is happening, because many people believe that all the laws written in the Old Testament were given by God, but the truth is that in the Old Testament there are many precepts of men wthat were added to the law, because the law of God was changed by the scribes, as we have seen that the prophets tell us.

Then, you must understand that the Gospel is the one that teaches us the true Law of God and his merciful commandments.

Milton Platt · Nov 18, 2018

Porque77 said:
Dear friends, I have studied the writings of the prophets, and I found several quotes that make me think what happened to God's Law.

The writings of the prophets tell us that God's law was changed.

The prophets tell us that the scribes had changed the God's Law

The Mosaic covenant and law were given by God, but after the years and centuries, the prophets tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So tell us the prophets:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Seems so me there is no reference to the New Testament. The quotes are referencing a supposed previous version of god’s law and god seemed incapable of preventing it being changed. The New Testament stories would be a third version, then.

Porque77 · Dec 13, 2018

Porque77 said:
Dear friends, I have studied the writings of the prophets, and I found several quotes that make me think what happened to God's Law.

The writings of the prophets tell us that God's law was changed.

The prophets tell us that the scribes had changed the God's Law

The Mosaic covenant and law were given by God, but after the years and centuries, the prophets tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So tell us the prophets:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Milton Platt said:
Seems so me there is no reference to the New Testament. The quotes are referencing a supposed previous version of god’s law and god seemed incapable of preventing it being changed. The New Testament stories would be a third version, then.

No. The Law of God was always the same, because the true commandaments of God are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel.

Jesus revealed to us the true commandments that had been given to Moses, because Jesus Christ said:

if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Christians need knowledge of what the Gospel really teaches. And the Gospel teaches that Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments that were given by God and abolished from the Old Testament the precepts that were not of God, but of men, like "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", sacrifices and death sentences.

And it is that scribes changed the law of God. The Law of God had been changed into a lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophets say:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

Milton Platt · Dec 13, 2018

Porque77 said:
No. The Law of God was always the same, because the true commandaments of God are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel.

Jesus revealed to us the true commandments that had been given to Moses, because Jesus Christ said:

if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Christians need knowledge of what the Gospel really teaches. And the Gospel teaches that Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments that were given by God and abolished from the Old Testament the precepts that were not of God, but of men, like "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", sacrifices and death sentences.

And it is that scribes changed the law of God. The Law of God had been changed into a lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophets say:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

Are you saying that men can change the laws if a god and he is powerless to stop it?

Milton Platt · Dec 20, 2018

Porque77 said:
No. The Law of God was always the same, because the true commandaments of God are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel.

Jesus revealed to us the true commandments that had been given to Moses, because Jesus Christ said:

if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Christians need knowledge of what the Gospel really teaches. And the Gospel teaches that Jesus Christ revealed to us the true commandments that were given by God and abolished from the Old Testament the precepts that were not of God, but of men, like "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", sacrifices and death sentences.

And it is that scribes changed the law of God. The Law of God had been changed into a lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophets say:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

So the commandments of Jesus were the “true” commandments, and all the Old Testament laws were “untrue”?

Porque77 · Jan 12, 2019

Milton Platt said:
So the commandments of Jesus were the “true” commandments, and all the Old Testament laws were “untrue”?

No. You have not understood what I say. The Law that God had given to Moses is the misericordious commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.

The Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel are not the true Law that God gave to Moses. Only the Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel.

Milton Platt · Jan 12, 2019

Porque77 said:
No. You have not understood what I say. The Law that God had given to Moses is the misericordious commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.

The Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel are not the true Law that God gave to Moses. Only the Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel.

So rhe Bible is erroneous on many cases and after some two thousand years of study by scholars, you gave managed to trump them all as to what is right and what is wrong. Good going.

Porque77 · Feb 8, 2019

Porque77 said:
No. You have not understood what I say. The Law that God had given to Moses is the misericordious commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.

The Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel are not the true Law that God gave to Moses. Only the Old Testament commandments that are contrary to the merciful of the Gospel.

Milton Platt said:
So rhe Bible is erroneous on many cases and after some two thousand years of study by scholars, you gave managed to trump them all as to what is right and what is wrong. Good going.

I am not the one who says what is right and what is wrong in the scriptures. it is Jesus Christ who teaches it in the gospel, because Jesus Christ teaches us the commandments that were really given by God to Moses and the people of Israel

paarsurrey · Feb 13, 2019

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

I believe it is correct.
It is one reason that Quran was revealed to Muhammad to revive the correct core message of Lord for humanity.

Regards

Porque77 · Feb 16, 2019

paarsurrey said:
The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

I believe it is correct.
It is one reason that Quran was revealed to Muhammad to revive the correct core message of Lord for humanity.

Regards

That is not true, because only Jesús Christ is the truth.

Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ:

"For the law of Moses was given, but
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)

And it is because Jesus, when He preached the gospel, taught us the true law that God had given to Moses and the people of Israel. That is why the Gospel teaches us that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Porque77 · Feb 17, 2019

Milton Platt said:
So rhe Bible is erroneous on many cases and after some two thousand years of study by scholars, you gave managed to trump them all as to what is right and what is wrong. Good going.

Porque77 said:
I am not the one who says what is right and what is wrong in the scriptures. it is Jesus Christ who teaches it in the gospel, because Jesus Christ teaches us the commandments that were really given by God to Moses and the people of Israel

The commandments of the Gospel are the true commandments of God, because to enter the kingdom of God, Jesus commanded to keep the commandments that He teaches us in the Gospel. And one of those commandments commands the rich to sell what they have and give it to the poor:

"if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Porque77 · Feb 20, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
Yes in Matthew 5:17 Jesus did say, that he has not come to destroy the law or the prophets.
Now explain exactly what law Jesus is referring to in Matthew 5:1-16 ?

In these verses Jesus Christ refers to the Law that He himself teaches us in the Gospel. There is no other Law, because Jesus Christ says that this is the and and the prophets:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12).

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:

"...if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God.

Porque77 · Feb 24, 2019

Milton Platt said:
So rhe Bible is erroneous on many cases and after some two thousand years of study by scholars, you gave managed to trump them all as to what is right and what is wrong. Good going.

What tells you what is right and what is wrong is the teaching of the Gospel, because Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel the true commandments of God.

The law that God truly gave Moses is forever and for all peoples. And this law is the law of the Gospel and its merciful commandments, not the Old Testament laws that ordered men to harm and kill people. Those laws that do not keep mercy are only precepts of men.

Porque77 · Apr 28, 2019

Milton Platt said:
So rhe Bible is erroneous on many cases and after some two thousand years of study by scholars, you gave managed to trump them all as to what is right and what is wrong. Good going.

Porque77 said:
What tells you what is right and what is wrong is the teaching of the Gospel, because Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel the true commandments of God.

The law that God truly gave Moses is forever and for all peoples. And this law is the law of the Gospel and its merciful commandments, not the Old Testament laws that ordered men to harm and kill people. Those laws that do not keep mercy are only precepts of men.

Faithofchristian said:
The law which Christ Jesus is referring to in Matthew 5:17-19, is not the old testament law nor the gospel law.

The law in which Christ Jesus is referring to in Matthew 5:17-19. Is the law of the kingdom of heaven...

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God

Faithofchristian · Apr 28, 2019

Porque77 said:
The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God

That to which you given is nothing but man's teachings and not the teachings of Christ Jesus.

Matthew 5:17-19, Pertains to the law of the kingdom of heaven.

Which has nothing to do with the
ten commandment law.
Nor the Gospels.

It seems you have a very difficult time what is man's teachings and the teachings of Christ Jesus

Milton Platt · Apr 29, 2019

Porque77 said:
What tells you what is right and what is wrong is the teaching of the Gospel, because Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel the true commandments of God.

The law that God truly gave Moses is forever and for all peoples. And this law is the law of the Gospel and its merciful commandments, not the Old Testament laws that ordered men to harm and kill people. Those laws that do not keep mercy are only precepts of men.

You didn't address my comment. By what authority and on what evidence do you claim to have the exactly correct understanding of the Bible over and above all the other interpretations, including those of dedicated Bible scholars?

1213 · Apr 29, 2019

Porque77 said:
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Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

I think they are not different, but please give one example how they are different?

Porque77 · Sep 26, 2019

Porque77 said:
The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God

Faithofchristian said:
Matthew 5:17-19, Pertains to the law of the kingdom of heaven.

Which has nothing to do with the
ten commandment law.
Nor the Gospels.

It seems you have a very difficult time what is man's teachings and the teachings of Christ Jesus

The Law of the Kingdom of Heaven is the Law of the Gospel and its merciful commandments, and they are the commandments that God had truly given to Moses.

The Old Testament mandates that are contrary to the merciful commandments of the Gospel are mandates of men. For that, Jesus annulled them with his teachings of the Gospel.

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

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