It is said that God is eternal and created everything. That being the case.....where was God BEFORE God 'created' a place for (Himself) to be?
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Where was God...
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That it indeed does. Very astute observation.
Oh, but on the contrary, yes it can. If this God is eternal, it HAD to actually BE somewhere. Would you care to venture a 'guess' as to just what or where that "somewhere" WAS, before anything was created?
And what?....you were expecting to find a hammer and some nails?
That (He) did, since (He) had not created the "light" yet.
I take it then, that it COULD be said that this God was the God of DARKNESS, before (He) said, 'let there be light'?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
According to the story in the bible. God was there at the beginning. There was no before God. They way I read it; God created time.
This question makes no sense. Why is it assumed God has create a "place" to be? Are you assuming God is a created being?
ManSinha
Well-Known Member
Actually the Rigveda - which is arguably regarded as the oldest writing known to man - has a slightly different viewpoint
The Nasadiya Sukta (after the incipit ná ásat, or "not the non-existent"), also known as the Hymn of Creation, is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda(10:129). It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of the universe.[2]
The Nasadiya Sukta (after the incipit ná ásat, or "not the non-existent"), also known as the Hymn of Creation, is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda(10:129). It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of the universe.[2]
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Oh, the dinner guest is creating new threads now, good for you...
I was in a dour mood but now I am laughing again, where was God indeed.
God always had a place to BE because God has always existed. You have to BE somewhere if you exist. Moreover, God did not have to CREATE a place to exist because God’s Creation has existed as long as God has existed.
And I just happen to have the perfect passage explaining this from you know who...
“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant.
As to those sayings, attributed to the Prophets of old, such as, “In the beginning was God; there was no creature to know Him,” and “The Lord was alone; with no one to adore Him,” the meaning of these and similar sayings is clear and evident, and should at no time be misapprehended. To this same truth bear witness these words which He hath revealed: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him. He will always remain what He hath ever been.” Every discerning eye will readily perceive that the Lord is now manifest, yet there is none to recognize His glory. By this is meant that the habitation wherein the Divine Being dwelleth is far above the reach and ken of any one besides Him. Whatsoever in the contingent world can either be expressed or apprehended, can never transgress the limits which, by its inherent nature, have been imposed upon it. God, alone, transcendeth such limitations. He, verily, is from everlasting. No peer or partner has been, or can ever be, joined with Him. No name can be compared with His Name. No pen can portray His nature, neither can any tongue depict His glory. He will, for ever, remain immeasurably exalted above any one except Himself.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 150-151
lukethethird
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Hibernating.
I assume no such thing. It is not good practice to be 'assuming' anything'
Good. For a God that has already been determined to be 'eternal', the notion of God creating (himself) is a non sequitur.
While I do consider that most anything is (potentially) possible, what you posit, makes no sense at all.
I am pleased that you prefaced that with "according to the 'story'. That pretty much says it all right there.
Probably not, since God is considered to be eternal.
In regards to "time", I believe that God did not necessarily "create" time, as much as time is a byproduct OF creation.
If God is eternal then he has always existed. Does anyone really know "what" God is? The Bible says that God is a spirit.....invisible....powerful....just....creative....and loving. But what is a spirit? Does anyone know?
The Bible tells us "who" God is because it describes his personality and activities....but as to "what" God is and what surroundings he dwells in....I don't think that we have the capacity at present to even comprehend it.
Maybe we will in time when we have progressed sufficiently in knowledge......
I like this answer to your question:
The Creator - Come and See
Various religions depict the Creator as something outside of us. But Kabbalah explains that it is forbidden to imagine the Creator as an image of any kind, that the Creator is a quality that exists within each of us.
The Creator is the quality of love and bestowal. The meaning of the word “Creator” (Borre in Hebrew) is “Come and See” (Bo u Re’e), meaning come and discover this quality within you.
There is no external, foreign element for whom we work! We work on correcting ourselves, on attaining the qualities of love and giving, the Creator.
Around two thousand years ago, we lost the feeling of the Creator—we were exiled and lost the true picture of the world. We began to think that the Creator was someone who existed separately from us, rather than a quality that appeared within us.
Instead of depicting the Creator as the primary and foremost quality of Creation, which clothes within us, we began to think of Him as a separate and foreign entity.
Rav Michael Laitman
The Creator - Come and See
Various religions depict the Creator as something outside of us. But Kabbalah explains that it is forbidden to imagine the Creator as an image of any kind, that the Creator is a quality that exists within each of us.
The Creator is the quality of love and bestowal. The meaning of the word “Creator” (Borre in Hebrew) is “Come and See” (Bo u Re’e), meaning come and discover this quality within you.
There is no external, foreign element for whom we work! We work on correcting ourselves, on attaining the qualities of love and giving, the Creator.
Around two thousand years ago, we lost the feeling of the Creator—we were exiled and lost the true picture of the world. We began to think that the Creator was someone who existed separately from us, rather than a quality that appeared within us.
Instead of depicting the Creator as the primary and foremost quality of Creation, which clothes within us, we began to think of Him as a separate and foreign entity.
Rav Michael Laitman
I personally feel that is all dependent upon WHOM is reading it.
As I said previously, I really am not comfortable in "assuming" anything. However, it is only logical as well as rational to PREsume, that since there was "nothing" before God created everything", that God, being 'eternal' and all, HAD to have been SOMEWHERE, before God did (His) creation thing, right?
Not if God is "eternal". Remember, I ASSume nothing.
God is outside our conception of time, so the question doesn't make sense.
While I certainly do appreciate your contribution, this question is NOT about origins of the universe, or even origins of God.
Rather it is questioning what seems to be a contradicting bit of reasoning, in that an alleged ETERNAL entity, such as God, was NOT necessarily SOMEwhere......BEFORE this eternal entity purportedly CREATED a place for itself to BE. (caps for emphasis, am not shouting)
Glad to be able to replace that dour mood with something a bit more pleasurable.Oh, the dinner guest is creating new threads now, good for you...
I was in a dour mood but now I am laughing again, where was God indeed.
This is just too easy....obviously, you're up to something.
Now THAT's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. If as you say, "creation has always existed, then it cannot be referred to AS a creation, now can it?
Knowing you, I have a pretty good idea "who" is accredited with this 'passage'.
And you STILL have not actually answered the question.
Yessir, indeed!.....hibernating....definitely as good an answer as any, so far.
Nope, and if you happen to come across someone who makes that claim, you can be reasonably assured they are lying.
Probably not, as those "goat-ropers' back then were prolific writers, with highly active imaginations.
And neither did the "goat-ropers" who wrote all that stuff about God, but they did their very best in capturing down on papyrus, what they THOUGHT about God.
Maybe....then again, maybe not.
As I have said to another poster, I do appreciate your contribution, however my question is not about creation itself, or even about the creator.
It simply posits the question of WHERE this creator was, BEFORE it created anything? It HAD to have been SOMEWHERE, didn't it? The question is "where".