Book Of Revelation In Jewish Context (rev 1:4-7)

Faithofchristian said:

Well like I said, show as to where in the book of Revelation where Christ Jesus is found saying what your saying
That the king of bottomless pit as being Roman emperor.
Where does Christ Jesus say this in his book of Revelation.

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The Roman legions attacking Jerusalem were under the Roman Emperor...

Many other figures appear under angelic imagery.

For instance, in chapter nine, the Roman Emperor, Nero, is figured as an angel given possession of the key to the bottomless pit to loose its armies, and the Roman legions themselves are described as four angels bound at the River Euphrates.

(Rev. 9: 1, 11, 14) If these “angels” are earthly figures connected with the world civil power, why is the angel in Rev. 20:1-3 divine?

The dragon is Satan, hence the angel that binds him must be Christ. However, that the dragon is a demonic being is itself very doubtful.

Revelation is a book of symbols. The passage veils spiritual and historical realities in the garb of symbolic imagery.

Reference to the dragon as the “devil and Satan” is no more literal than reference to its being bound with a chain and cast alive into the bottomless pit.

So, to place a literal construction upon the image is to violate the first rule of interpretation and confuse our understanding.

The better view is that the dragon is the world civil power poised as the adversary of Christ and his church, not a demonic being.

Since any number of earthly figures might bind and loose the power of earthly kingdoms there is no basis upon which to conclude that Christ is the angel who binds the power here.

sooda said:

The Roman legions attacking Jerusalem were under the Roman Emperor...

Many other figures appear under angelic imagery.

For instance, in chapter nine, the Roman Emperor, Nero, is figured as an angel given possession of the key to the bottomless pit to loose its armies, and the Roman legions themselves are described as four angels bound at the River Euphrates.

(Rev. 9: 1, 11, 14) If these “angels” are earthly figures connected with the world civil power, why is the angel in Rev. 20:1-3 divine?

The dragon is Satan, hence the angel that binds him must be Christ. However, that the dragon is a demonic being is itself very doubtful.

Revelation is a book of symbols. The passage veils spiritual and historical realities in the garb of symbolic imagery.

Reference to the dragon as the “devil and Satan” is no more literal than reference to its being bound with a chain and cast alive into the bottomless pit.

So, to place a literal construction upon the image is to violate the first rule of interpretation and confuse our understanding.

The better view is that the dragon is the world civil power poised as the adversary of Christ and his church, not a demonic being.

Since any number of earthly figures might bind and loose the power of earthly kingdoms there is no basis upon which to conclude that Christ is the angel who binds the power here.

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You still haven't showed as to where in the book of Revelation where Christ Jesus is saying what your saying.

Now again show in the book of Revelation where it's written in what chapter and verses where Christ Jesus is saying the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor.

Do you not understand simple English or do you need to take some English classes to understand simple English.

All because your showing that your not comprehending to show in what chapters and verses in Revelation, where Christ Jesus is saying the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor

Faithofchristian said:

You still haven't showed as to where in the book of Revelation where Christ Jesus is saying what your saying.

Now again show in the book of Revelation where it's written in what chapter and verses where Christ Jesus is saying the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor.

Do you not understand simple English or do you need to take some English classes to understand simple English.

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The same symbols have been used throughout scripture over and over again.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

In Hebrew, the name “Abaddon” means “place of destruction”; the Greek title “Apollyon” literally means “The Destroyer.”

In the New Testament Book of Revelation, an angel called Abaddon is described as the king of an army of locusts; his name is first transcribed in Greek (Revelation 9:11—"whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, The Angel of Death.") and then translated ("which in Greek means the Destroyer"..

The Roman legions under the Roman emperor that attacked Jerusalem and destroyed the temple included soldiers from other nearby countries that were part of the Roman Empire in the first century to include Syrians, Egyptians and Arabs.

If you really want it to be about the remote future, that's your choice of course.

Its not as fantastic and futuristic and supernatural as you want to think.

sooda said:

The same symbols have been used throughout scripture over and over again.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

In Hebrew, the name “Abaddon” means “place of destruction”; the Greek title “Apollyon” literally means “The Destroyer.”

In the New Testament Book of Revelation, an angel called Abaddon is described as the king of an army of locusts; his name is first transcribed in Greek (Revelation 9:11—"whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, The Angel of Death.") and then translated ("which in Greek means the Destroyer"..

The Roman legions under the Roman emperor that attacked Jerusalem and destroyed the temple included soldiers from other nearby countries that were part of the Roman Empire in the first century to include Syrians, Egyptians and Arabs.

If you really want it to be about the remote future, that's your choice of course.

Its not as fantastic and futuristic and supernatural as you want to think.

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As to why you keep avoiding the question when I ask you to show in what chapter and verses in Revelation where Christ Jesus is saying what your trying to say that the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor Where does Christ Jesus say that in Revelation?

Faithofchristian said:

As to why you keep avoiding the question when I ask you to show in what chapter and verses in Revelation where Christ Jesus is saying what your trying to say that the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor Where does Christ Jesus say that in Revelation?

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1. This method of understanding the book of Revelation was first postulated by John Darby in the late 19th Century.
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3. A message or story of hope and support for a persecuted community– The message of Revelation is one that encapsulates the pain and struggles of a community trying to live and survive in a society that did not like them.

The Rapture Exposed puts forth the thesis that the book of Revelation has been misunderstood for many years. The author claims that the book was not meant to be a future predicting, dispensational text,where people are trying to connect events in the world to the ancient text. The author believes that the message of Revelation is really a hopeful one.


Review: “The Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of Revelation”

@Ellen Brown, @Shad, @

Is the Modern Interpretation of the Book of Revelation Flawed? A Consideration of a Different View..

It is also a book of glory, depicting the ultimate victory of our Lord Jesus Christ after a long conflict between the kingdom of this world and the Kingdom of Christ. In this context the Book of Revelation is not a mere tour guide to the last days but a reminder that Christ has already sealed the victory.

Most modern scholars estimate that the Book of Revelation was composed sometime between 90 and 110 A.D., likely toward the end of the reign of Domitian (Roman emperor from 81-96 A.D.). They believe that the “harlot city” referred to in Revelation is Rome and that this oppressive city-date persecuting Christians at the time of its writing will one day, in God’s good time, come under His wrathful judgment and be destroyed. Many of them project that this fulfillment is still to come and see it as symbolic of the end of the world.

There are good reasons for this dating of the Book of Revelation, not the least of which is the testimony of several Fathers of the Church. Irenaeus places the work in about 96 A.D.

Victorinus places the writing in the context of the persecution of Domitian, who banished John to the island of Patmos. Jerome and Eusebius say the same. This range of dates (90-110 A.D.) also fits in well with modern theories of biblical dating, which as a general rule tend to favor later dates.

There is a minority view, however, that the Book of Revelation was composed prior to 70 A.D., during the persecution of the Church by Nero (Roman emperor from 54-68 A.D.). (Nero’s persecution of the Church was, up to that point, the worst of the first century.) This view holds that the “harlot city” of Revelation is Jerusalem and that the Book of Revelation is prophesying that the destruction of Jerusalem will take place “soon.”

This destruction did in fact occur in short order, in 70 A.D, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. In this view, Revelation is warning Christians of the signs that will precede the destruction so that they can flee before Jerusalem’s doom is sealed.

The historical context of the Book of Revelation put forward in this minority view is the persecution of Christians by unbelieving Jews (in partnership with Roman officials) and the subsequent destruction of the city of Jerusalem by the Lord in judgment of this unbelief and the persecution of those who did believe.

Some of the proponents of this interpretation also see in this historical event a symbol of the end of the world.

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http://blog.adw.org/2018/11/modern-...velation-flawed-consideration-different-view/

Faithofchristian said:

As to why you keep avoiding the question when I ask you to show in what chapter and verses in Revelation where Christ Jesus is saying what your trying to say that the king of the bottomless pit as being the Roman emperor Where does Christ Jesus say that in Revelation?

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Isn't Revelation the Revelation of Jesus?

sooda said:

Isn't Revelation the Revelation of Jesus?

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