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Argument: Ye are gods! "BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE (אלהים edition)

9-18-1

Active Member
hello e'ry1,
ok so i am argue:

SINCE SATAN REQUIRES "BELIEF" TO EXIST (IE. RULE)
(by virtue of "BELIEVERS" "BELIEVING" satan to be god)
IT FOLLOWS "KNOWLEDGE" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE,
(by virtue of knowing what and/or what NOT to "BELIEVE")
AND BECAUSE "BELIEF" (in/of 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE
(by virtue of satan requiring "BELIEF" to exist at all (ie. control)
***THEREFOR "BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE***
(in/of (knowing) 'good and evil' ie. GOD).

Psalm 82:6
אני אמרתי אלהים אתם ובני עליון כלכם
I have said Ye are gods and all of you are children of the most High

ים - sea/expanse
A 3-dimensional sea contains a surface and a bottom.
If two objects are dropped from the surface,
the heavier of the two will sink faster (downward force).
E=mc/2, where:
E= energy (force)
M= mass
C/2= density of (still) Water.

When light is still, it travels at approx. 186 000mi/s.
This sounds like a contradiction: still, but travels?
As c increases, space/time formlessly contracts.
At c, space/time nullifies (is void).

A 4-dimensional sea contains no surface and no bottom.
As two objects are embedded anywhere within,
the heavier of the two will have more gravity (inward force).
E=mc/2, where:
E= energy (force)
M= mass
C^2= speed of (still) light

magnetism - the same is (of) attraction(s) of all forms/kinds
Both "good" and "evil".

אל - towardness
A 3-dimensional tadpole is comprised of a head and a tail.
The force of the tail propels the head forward
through any fluid of any density.
E=MC/2 where
E=Energy (force)
M=Mass
C/2=Density of (still) Fluid

A 4-dimensional spirit-being is *like* a spiritual light contained in a vessel.
If the being is conscious, the mind obeys the conscience,
and the consciousness of the being is the light of the cosmos.
E=MC^2
E=Energy
M=Mass
C^2=Speed of (still) Light

electricity (ie. light) - the same is (of) repulsion(s) of all forms/kinds
both "good" and "evil".

When light is still, it travels at approx. 186 000mi/s.
This sounds like a contradiction: still, but travels?
As c increases, space/time formlessly contracts.
At c, space/time nullifies (is void)
due to magnetism.

ה - womb; to out-produce (ie. bestow); to in-take (ie. receive); a pass-through (ie. exchange); conduit

ים - sea/expanse

This is (as) magnetism - receptive via attraction(s) of all forms/kinds (both "good" and "evil").

אל - towardness

This is (as) electricity - bestowal via propulsion(s) of all forms/kinds (both "good" and "evil").

ה - womb
This is (as) any conduit.

Together אל and ים through ה make אלהים
This is (as) electromagnetism.

Genesis 1:1

בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
In the beginning created GOD the heavens and the earth.

Psalm 82:6
אני אמרתי אלהים אתם ובני עליון כלכם
I have said: 'Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High'.

_______________________________________________________________

Therefor אלהים is not a particular/remote god (ie. object),
but an equation which describes the co-mutual (ie. union) of two acting in/as one (ie. 'as like' אלהים):
אל - towardness: bestowal via propulsion(s) of all forms/kinds (both "good" and "evil")
ים - sea/expanse: receptive via attraction(s) of all forms/kinds (both "good" and "evil").

Therefor, each אלהים is a complimentary "pair"
acting as one.

Genesis 1:26
ויאמר אלהים נעשה אדם בצלמנו כדמותנו וירדו בדגת הים ובעוף השמים ובבהמה ובכל הארץ ובכל הרמש הרמש על הארץ
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

when אלהים is the speaker, it self-references as us in plural,
as well as the androgynous Adam in plural as them:

Therefor אל and ים represent the [image: male/female] and [likeness: masculine/feminine] conjunct, with two principle modalities: electro- (ie. towardness, conscious will to bestow) and magneto- (ie. inwardness, conscious will to receive) through a single (shared) object ה. As such, they are archetypal 'roles' fulfilled by (min.) two conscious beings (ie. persons).

As gods:
אל - Conscious will to Bestow
ה - Single (shared) Conduit (without limit)
ים - Conscious will to Receive

by two conscious beings, one should find:
ein soph - אין סוף
the light אור is made when two make one:
אלהים

Genesis 3:5
כי ידע אלהים כי ביום אכלכם ממנו ונפקחו עיניכם והייתם כאלהים ידעי טוב ורע
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.

Psalm 82:6
אני אמרתי אלהים אתם ובני עליון כלכם
I have said Ye are gods and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?​

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9-18-1

Active Member
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אלהים ARGUMENT: YOU ARE GODS.

IF: A BEING(S) "BELIEVES" THEY ARE NOT AS GOD(S),
THEN: THEY WILL NOT BE AS GOD(S)
ELSE ONLY: "BELIEVING"to "KNOW" GOOD AND EVIL.

IF: A BEING "KNOWS" THEY ARE GOD(S),
THEN: THEY WILL BE AS GOD(S)
"KNOWING" GOOD AND EVIL.

***THEREFOR "BELIEF" (in/of 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE***IF:

One "believes" to "know" 'good and evil' and is wrong (ie. untrue):

Genesis 2:17
ומעץ הדעת טוב ורע לא תאכל ממנו כי ביום אכלך ממנו מות תמות
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

***"KNOWLEDGE" (in/of 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE***IF:

One "knows" how to "know" 'good and evil' and is right (ie. true):

Genesis 3:5
כי ידע אלהים כי ביום אכלכם ממנו ונפקחו עיניכם והייתם כאלהים ידעי טוב ורע
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
_______________________________________________

As even if in (an) unknowing (state)
regarding what is true and/or untrue:
what is truly immutable is immutably true
and what is mutable is mutably untrue
THEREFOR "BELIEF" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE.
Even if in (a) believing (state)
regarding what is good and/or evil:
what is truly good is immutably good
and what is evil is mutably evil
THEREFOR "KNOWLEDGE" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE.

________________________________________________

BECAUSE "BELIEF" (in/of 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE

(by virtue of satan requiring "BELIEF" to exist at all (ie. control)
As in: one "BELIEVES"
ones own "BELIEVED"-in god (ie. worshiped) to be good,
and/or another ones "BELIEVED"-in god (ie. worshiped) to be evil,
and if one (or more!) "BELIEVERS" happen to confuse
themselves into "BELIEVING" that evil is good and/or good is evil,
by eating from the tree of knowledge of 'good and evil',

IT FOLLOWS "KNOWLEDGE" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE,

(by virtue of knowing what and/or what NOT to "BELIEVE")
SINCE SATAN REQUIRES "BELIEF" TO EXIST (IE. RULE)
(by virtue of "BELIEVERS" "BELIEVING" satan to be god)
***IT STANDS TO REASON THAT "BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE***
(in/of (knowing) 'good and evil' ie. GOD).

_____________________________________________
ty and FTW

Notes:

re: synthesis.

If satan, in order to have power/control
requires that "believers" "believe" satan is god,
(when in fact satan is not)
then "belief" is necessarily not a virtue
because "knowing" 'good and evil'
informs one of what NOT to "believe"
ever-reducing satan into irreducible impotency
rendering "belief" as having no virtue in it
at all. Ever. EVER.

This also defeats the argument:
"belief is sometimes a virtue"
"some beliefs are virtuous" etc.

re: the question of "belief" and satan being one and the same.
If:
The Torah has a plurality authorship (ie. demands no precedent to "believe" it is from a god)
The Bible opens with Torah, and
The Qur'an is forged from Christian strophic hymns, and
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all "BELIEF"-based 'states',
how many "BELIEVERS" are actually satan "worshipers"?

re: (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil' ie. GOD).
Universal application to any "belief"-based worldview whose crux revolves around "belief" in a god (ie. necessarily has control, dominion, sovereignty etc. over knowledge of 'good and evil').

re: the question "from whence human suffering?"
*The problem begins when conscious beings take it upon themselves to denote what is 'good' and what is 'evil' instead of 'knowing' not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place, else polarization happens internally and this becomes their own self-induced psychosomatic source of suffering/death. By 'knowing' how eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil causes suffering/death to ones own self, one can know 'good and evil' if (and only if) one does not "believe" to already know (ie. eating from the tree).

re: the question of "belief"-based states/religions etc.
Who are those who draw confidence in/from their own "belief"-based convictions about god/satan via their own "BELIEF"?
Of the "BELIEVERS" who "BELIEVE" in a mundane object/image (ie. a wholly-perfect, holy and noble scripture book; a wholly exemplary infallible-beyond-scrutiny mercy-upon-mankind holy prophet idol-man who follow the courses of dead men upon (necessarily false) testimonies of character in good faith, contrary to biblical laws found espoused to by the adherents themselves!​
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
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אלהים ARGUMENT: YOU ARE GODS.

IF: A BEING(S) "BELIEVES" THEY ARE NOT AS GOD(S),
THEN: THEY WILL NOT BE AS GOD(S)
ELSE ONLY: "BELIEVING"to "KNOW" GOOD AND EVIL.

IF: A BEING "KNOWS" THEY ARE GOD(S),
THEN: THEY WILL BE AS GOD(S)
"KNOWING" GOOD AND EVIL.

***THEREFOR "BELIEF" (in/of 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE***IF:

One "believes" to "know" 'good and evil' and is wrong (ie. untrue):

Genesis 2:17
ומעץ הדעת טוב ורע לא תאכל ממנו כי ביום אכלך ממנו מות תמות
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

***"KNOWLEDGE" (in/of 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE***IF:

One "knows" how to "know" 'good and evil' and is right (ie. true):

Genesis 3:5
כי ידע אלהים כי ביום אכלכם ממנו ונפקחו עיניכם והייתם כאלהים ידעי טוב ורע
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
_______________________________________________

As even if in (an) unknowing (state)
regarding what is true and/or untrue:
what is truly immutable is immutably true
and what is mutable is mutably untrue
THEREFOR "BELIEF" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE.
Even if in (a) believing (state)
regarding what is good and/or evil:
what is truly good is immutably good
and what is evil is mutably evil
THEREFOR "KNOWLEDGE" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE.

________________________________________________

BECAUSE "BELIEF" (in/of 'good and evil') IS NOT A VIRTUE
(by virtue of satan requiring "BELIEF" to exist at all (ie. control)

As in: one "BELIEVES"
ones own "BELIEVED"-in god (ie. worshiped) to be good,
and/or another ones "BELIEVED"-in god (ie. worshiped) to be evil,
and if one (or more!) "BELIEVERS" happen to confuse
themselves into "BELIEVING" that evil is good and/or good is evil,
by eating from the tree of knowledge of 'good and evil',

IT FOLLOWS "KNOWLEDGE" (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil') IS A VIRTUE,
(by virtue of knowing what and/or what NOT to "BELIEVE")

SINCE SATAN REQUIRES "BELIEF" TO EXIST (IE. RULE)

(by virtue of "BELIEVERS" "BELIEVING" satan to be god)
***IT STANDS TO REASON THAT "BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE***
(in/of (knowing) 'good and evil' ie. GOD).

_____________________________________________
ty and FTW

Notes:


re: the question of "belief" and satan being one and the same.
If:
The Torah has a plurality authorship (ie. demands no precedent to "believe" it is from a god)
The Bible opens with Torah, and
The Qur'an is forged from Christian strophic hymns, and
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all "BELIEF"-based 'states',
how many "BELIEVERS" are actually satan "worshipers"?

re: (in/of (knowing) 'good and evil' ie. GOD).
Universal application to any "belief"-based worldview whose crux revolves around "belief" in a god (ie. necessarily has control, dominion, sovereignty etc. over knowledge of 'good and evil').

re: the question "from whence human suffering?"
*The problem begins when conscious beings take it upon themselves to denote what is 'good' and what is 'evil' instead of 'knowing' not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place, else polarization happens internally and this becomes their own self-induced psychosomatic source of suffering/death. By 'knowing' how eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil causes suffering/death to ones own self, one can know 'good and evil' if (and only if) one does not "believe" to already know (ie. eating from the tree).

re: the question of "belief"-based states/religions etc.
Who are those who draw confidence in/from their own "belief"-based convictions about god/satan via their own "BELIEF"?
Of the "BELIEVERS" who "BELIEVE" in a mundane object/image (ie. a wholly-perfect, holy and noble scripture book; a wholly exemplary infallible-beyond-scrutiny mercy-upon-mankind holy prophet idol-man who follow the courses of dead men upon (necessarily false) testimonies of character in good faith, contrary to biblical laws found espoused to by the adherents themselves!
I have no idea what Im looking at or what I just read, its over my head sorry.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
In mainstream Christianity, they do not make the connection. In Mormon belief they do, but they 'meter' who gets to be one by if they are worthy and exalted. It is also in the Deep Doctrine that in the Celestial Kingdom Polygamy will be practiced and you do not get a planet of your own if you do not.
 

9-18-1

Active Member
I have no idea what Im looking at or what I just read, its over my head sorry.

The synthesis is:

If satan, in order to have power/control
requires that "believers" "believe" satan is god,
(when in fact satan is not)
then "belief" is necessarily not a virtue
because "knowing" 'good and evil'
informs one of what NOT to "believe"
ever-reducing satan into irreducible impotency
rendering "belief" as having no virtue in it
at all. Ever. EVER.

This also defeats the argument:
"belief is sometimes a virtue"
"some beliefs are virtuous" etc.

In mainstream Christianity, they do not make the connection. In Mormon belief they do, but they 'meter' who gets to be one by if they are worthy and exalted. It is also in the Deep Doctrine that in the Celestial Kingdom Polygamy will be practiced and you do not get a planet of your own if you do not.

Make what connection?
 
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Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
The synthesis is:

If satan, in order to have power/control
requires "believers" that "believe" he/it is god,
when in fact he/it is not,
then "belief" is not a virtue
because "knowing" 'good and evil'
informs one what NOT to "believe"
reducing satan into irreducible impotency
(ie. negligent)
rendering "belief" as having no virtue
at all. Ever. EVER.

This defeats any argument:
"some beliefs are virtuous" etc.



Make what connection?

This is far too intense. I'm done.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
In mainstream Christianity, they do not make the connection. In Mormon belief they do, but they 'meter' who gets to be one by if they are worthy and exalted. It is also in the Deep Doctrine that in the Celestial Kingdom Polygamy will be practiced and you do not get a planet of your own if you do not.
Hey Ellen, sorry to have to correct you on that, but we absolutely do not believe that polygamy is essential to exaltation.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Hey Ellen, sorry to have to correct you on that, but we absolutely do not believe that polygamy is essential to exaltation.

I was told that by a woman who works in the Portland Temple. There are still some strange ideas circulating out there. :)
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Wow. Yup, there are. Hope you are doing well, Ellen.

I am thank you. I've been reading Navajo cultural history, and wish that I had found the Dine a long time ago. People like me are totally normal to them, and no professional intervention would have been necessary by the LGBT. :)

I hope that you are doing well also.

Ellen
 
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