• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The Original Sin: who is to blame?

sooda

Veteran Member
First of all it seems you haven't a clue or idea why God punished king David, and it wasn't because king David killed Uriah the Hittite. As you suppose.
Maybe you should re-read it again.
God punished king David because king David turn his back on God and the commandment of God
In your eyes you think because God took the child of king David, why that awful.

But little you have no understanding or knowledge about God.
When God took the child, the child is alive with God I heaven.

Now the other question is, Seeing that David is the king over Israel, Now why would God punish king David.
All because if God did not punish king David, the people of Israel would begin to think that it must be alright to kill another man for his wife.

So by God punishing king David the people would know that it is not ok with God, to kill another man for his wife.

You sure gave killing the baby a pass.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You sure gave killing the baby a pass.

You got to be kidding, As God didn't kill the baby, that just shows how much you don't know about God.
God gives and God takes away.
So where do you suppose the baby is at, care to explain

You show yourself as not having any spiritual discernment.

As it is written in the book of
1 Corinthians 2:14---"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You sure gave killing the baby a pass.

Probably without a doubt, that your one of them that believe that the earth is only
6000 years old.

If this is to be true, then care to explain how exactly the dinosaurs bones out date the earth by 6.4 Millions of years.

You probably believe the dinosaurs bones we're just floating around in outer space and then one day just drop out of space and planted themselves in the ground.

It appears that you have a hard time with understanding what spiritual discernment is.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" 1 Corinthians 2:14
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Probably without a doubt, that your one of them that believe that the earth is only
6000 years old.

If this is to be true, then care to explain how exactly the dinosaurs bones out date the earth by 6.4 Millions of years.

You probably believe the dinosaurs bones we're just floating around in outer space and then one day just drop out of space and planted themselves in the ground.

It appears that you have a hard time with understanding what spiritual discernment is.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" 1 Corinthians 2:14

You are jumping to conclusions again. I don't believe the earth is 6,000 years. I do believe that the creation story is a foundational myth.

First earth age ideas are not supported by the Bible. The biblical text never directly supports the first earth age concept. When pressed, proponents often cite special understanding of specific Hebrew and Greek words. Scholarly understanding of those languages do not support such translation.

Is the first earth age concept biblical? What is the idea of the first earth age?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are jumping to conclusions again. I don't believe the earth is 6,000 years. I do believe that the creation story is a foundational myth.

First earth age ideas are not supported by the Bible. The biblical text never directly supports the first earth age concept. When pressed, proponents often cite special understanding of specific Hebrew and Greek words. Scholarly understanding of those languages do not support such translation.

Is the first earth age concept biblical? What is the idea of the first earth age?

That's exactly where your wrong at.
As the bible does support the first earth age.
That's because, like I said before, that you have no understanding about Spiritual discernment.
As it takes Spiritual discernment to understand the first earth age.

As there are two aspects to understand the Bible.
There is the letter of the word of the Bible, which anyone can read.which is in black and white and red and white.
This is called the letter of the word.

Now as for the Spirit of the word of God. It takes spiritual understanding to understand what the Spirit of God is saying in the Spiritual Realm of things in the Bible.

Here's a good example of understanding spiritual discernment.
In the book of Mark 13, Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of Spirit of God is
And when it will happen
And by who can commit it.

Now can you Spiritually discerned what the Spirit of God is revealing,saying
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That's exactly where your wrong at.
As the bible does support the first earth age.
That's because, like I said before, that you have no understanding about Spiritual discernment.
As it takes Spiritual discernment to understand the first earth age.

As there are two aspects to understand the Bible.
There is the letter of the word of the Bible, which anyone can read.which is in black and white and red and white.
This is called the letter of the word.

Now as for the Spirit of the word of God. It takes spiritual understanding to understand what the Spirit of God is saying in the Spiritual Realm of things in the Bible.

Here's a good example of understanding spiritual discernment.
In the book of Mark 13, Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of Spirit of God is
And when it will happen
And by who can commit it.

Now can you Spiritually discerned what the Spirit of God is revealing,saying

The abomination of desolation is what Antiochus IV Epiphanes brought to Jerusalem. That's what Daniel is talking about in 165 BC.

Daniel's vision of a two-horned ram destroyed by a one-horned goat (an allegory for the transition from the Persian to the Greek eras in the Near East).

Daniel 8 is an interpretation of the author's own time, 167-164 BCE, with a claim that God will bring to an end the oppression of the Jewish people.

The temple was destroyed in 70 AD followed by another destruction during the reign of Julius.. There weren't even stones left that time.

It begins with the Greek conquest of the Persian empire, touches on the rise of the four Greek successor-kingdoms, and then focuses on the career of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who took the throne of Seleucid Syria in 175 BCE.
 
Last edited:

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The abomination of desolation is what Antiochus IV Epiphanes brought to Jerusalem. That's what Daniel is talking about in 165 BC.

Daniel's vision of a two-horned ram destroyed by a one-horned goat (an allegory for the transition from the Persian to the Greek eras in the Near East).

Daniel 8 is an interpretation of the author's own time, 167-164 BCE, with a claim that God will bring to an end the oppression of the Jewish people.

The temple was destroyed in 70 AD followed by another destruction during the reign of Julius.. There weren't even stones left that time.

It begins with the Greek conquest of the Persian empire, touches on the rise of the four Greek successor-kingdoms, and then focuses on the career of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who took the throne of Seleucid Syria in 175 BCE.

That is not what Daniel the Prophet is talking about.
But anyway, Christ Jesus foretold in the book of Mark 13, what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of God is.
And when it will happen
And who can commit it
In the book of Mark 13
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member

Who's exactly talking about the Tribulation.
I ask you about Christ Jesus foretold in the book of Mark 13
What the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of God is
And when it will happen
And who can commit it

It seems you keep avoiding it.

All it takes is Spiritual discernment to understand what Christ Jesus is talking about in Mark 13
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member

Have you any Spiritual discernment to understand what the abomination of desolation is.
If you take the word ( it ) and go to the Hebrew translation you will find the word
( It ) being translation to ( he )
Therefore have you any idea who the ( he )
Is that shall stand in the Holy Place ?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Have you any Spiritual discernment to understand what the abomination of desolation is.
If you take the word ( it ) and go to the Hebrew translation you will find the word
( It ) being translation to ( he )
Therefore have you any idea who the ( he )
Is that shall stand in the Holy Place ?

Antiochus built an altar to Zeus in the Temple..... (the " abomination of desolation ").

Antiochus Epiphanes, the vile person, surrounded Jerusalem with his armies (the abomination of desolation) and killed 10’s of thousands of Jews. They defiled the sanctuary and caused the daily sacrifice to be taken away for 2,300 days (Daniel 8:14).

Antiochus wanted the Hellenize Palestine..

His persecution of the Jews began in 171 B.C. and the temple was cleansed on December 25, 165 B.C., which is 2,300 days.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The discussion isn't about changing names, it is about your assertion that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created".

You cannot cop out by saying I have no understanding of the first earth age. You talk about it but cannot show any basis for it in the Bible (or anywhere else). And that is what the discussion has been about: You showing justification in scripture for your assertions.


It's like I said if you do not have any understanding or knowledge about the first earth age, Then you will not understand how Lucifer was created back about a million years ago.

Do you understand what the first earth age consist of, what it was like.
The first earth age is where the dinosaurs bones came from

What I do or do not have an understanding of, does not prevent you from supporting your assertion that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created".

You have not been able to do so. Therefore it is clear to all, that the idea that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created" is just something that you made up.

Fiction, and not very good fiction.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
As I Stated in the books of Genesis, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah,
2 Peter and Revelation all speaks about the first earth age.
Perhaps "as you stated" but not as it is. There is nothing in those books/verses that support your beliefs.

You specifically stated Ezeliel 28:15
Ezekiel 28
14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.​

As I pointed out, there is nothing in those verses supporting your silly notions.

Do you really believe posting books that do nothing to support your beliefs is convincing? All you are doing is demonstrating that there is no support in the Bible for a "first age". Moses must be rolling over in his grave.
 
Last edited:

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Perhaps "as you stated" but not as it is. There is nothing in those books/verses that support your beliefs.

You specifically stated Ezeliel 28:15
Ezekiel 28
14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.​

As I pointed out, there is nothing in those verses supporting your silly notions.

Do you really believe posting books that do nothing to support your beliefs is convincing? All you are doing is demonstrating that there is no support in the Bible for a "first age". Moses must be rolling over in his grave.

There's most certainly is, you just don't have Spiritual discernment to understand, What the Spirit of God is actually saying.

As Lucifer was not created at the time of Adam and Eve,
But way before Adam and Eve were created.
When I read Ezekiel about Lucifer, it's easy to see when all of it taken place and it sure was during the time of Adam and Eve.
But millions of years before Adam and Eve came into existence.

In 2 Peter 3:5-6
5--"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

So please do tell what Peter is talking about here, what time of Earth's history did this happen
 

sooda

Veteran Member
-"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"


Notice the poetic expression of the way God uncovered the land that was under the waters (Genesis 1:9-10)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
-"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"
Notice the poetic expression of the way God uncovered the land that was under the waters (Genesis 1:9-10)


Where did the water come from, seeing there is no where in Genesis from Verse 1 to Verse 14 that God created, The water was already there.
Notice also the there is no where mention that God created the Atmosphere ( air )

So when was the water and
atmosphere ( air ) created ?
Seeing there is no where in Genesis from
Verse 1 to Verse 14 that makes any mentioning of the water and atmosphere
( Air ) as being created.

Now in 2 Peter 3:5-6
"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"
"That the world that then was, being over flowed with water Perished"

You know this is not the flood of Noah's, in the flood of Noah's 8 people were saved alive plus the animals.
But here in 2 Peter everything Perished, that nothing was saved alive.

So what flood is this ?
This flood of water took place back during the first earth age
 
Top