Milton Platt
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I don't know much about Libertarianism, and was just wondering....
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Is This Fair Criticism Of Libertarianism?
- Thread starter Milton Platt
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I don't know much about Libertarianism, and was just wondering....
In my opinion Woodford's three reasons for rejecting libertarianism are cogent and compelling reasons. Also, I believe he fairly and insightfully represents the core libertarian position. Woodford seems to value rationality above and beyond ideology.
While I agree with his three reasons, I would add two more. First, that libertarianism is not scientifically grounded when it comes to what is known about human nature, and second that it is politically naive in terms of its belief libertarianism would not lead in practice to tyranny.
Last, when libertarianism has been tried in practice it has led to catastrophic suffering. See it's application in Chili in the late 1970s and early 80s.
While I agree with his three reasons, I would add two more. First, that libertarianism is not scientifically grounded when it comes to what is known about human nature, and second that it is politically naive in terms of its belief libertarianism would not lead in practice to tyranny.
Last, when libertarianism has been tried in practice it has led to catastrophic suffering. See it's application in Chili in the late 1970s and early 80s.
Jollybear
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Libertarianism is the way to go!
Governments sole purpose should be to protect liberty, not take it. We should be free in all ways except free to hurt others.
Whats wrong with that?
So much freedom is taken in the name of protecting others, but its all lies, its all about big government, control and money, money and more money!
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Only for those who value civil liberties, free association, free thought,
tolerance, independence, lower taxes, less war, gun rights, & minding
their own business.
It doesn't offer the comforting controlled environment of a parental
type government, where security is gained thru submission.
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Interesting theories. Do you happen to have any practical political experience?
Either you did not watch the video, or you did not understand what you watched.
Responding to the post didn't require watching it.
Either you didn't read it, or you didn't understand it.
Jollybear
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Political experience, as in be a governor or something?
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Works great until corporations strangle you into the ground.
What if you just added a pinch of libertarianism to some other system?
For example, Ameristan could benefit from waging fewer wars, &
eliminating military draft registration. You could call it "libertarian lite".
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I agree. I can see the appeal of Libertarianism but someone needs to look out for the little guy.
With most systems being hybrids, you can steer
things in the specific policy directions you like.
I know that libertarians will never hold great power
here (or anywhere). But perhaps things can lean
a little more that way.
Shadow Link
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Sounds like another young socialist projecting unlearned lessons into the ominous future with a moral structure established upon an insufficient foundation. Socialism, that muddled ideological passion that ever hopes to arrive at a moral endpoint through a reasoning that reduces justice, mercy, nature, happiness, and even a shadow of transcendental longing as wholly subservient to determined historical necessity.
Jollybear
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Yea, ive thought about that, where a corporation wont give benefits or enough pay to there workers to live.
But, remember, libertarianism is freedom to do whatever you want except harm others.
If i was an employer and i hired a worker full time, who had a child and a house and a car that had debt to it, and i paid him $1 per hour, do you think he would survive? No, he would not be able to pay his bills. He would barely even have enough to pay for food for himself and his child. He would die. Then id have no worker. So its in my best interest to pay him liberally. Plus it shows on my part how much i appreciate and respect his help to build my business.
Milton Platt
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That seems a gross over simplification.
If you look back in history, you will see that a company generally only pays what is absolutely necessary to retain a worker. For a corporation, the board actually has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders to maximize profits above most other considerations. The "owners" in this case are a relatively anonymous group of individuals and/or other corporations.
Milton Platt
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Can you address the criticism in the video?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Can you address the criticisms in the video? Has Libertarianism ever been actually tried? Another poster mentioned Chile in the 70's. I thought that it was a dictatorship back then, but memory fades.
Jollybear
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Actually history shows and STILL shows currently, that ALOT of companies pay there workers MORE then the minimum wage requirement.
Milton Platt
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I didn't mention minimum wage, which varies around the country. If that is the minimum required to keep an employee in a given industry in a given area, then that is what they pay. If it requires more, then that is what they will pay. And minimum wage does not apply to all occupations.
Also, is it not possible to incorporate some libertarian ideas into a capitalist society without becoming a wholly Libertarian state?
I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm looking for input from you and others.
Jollybear
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Ok, if i understand him correctly. Hes saying we are not entitled to be free and we therefore have no right to be free.
Let me put it this way: if wer talking about God and Gods government, THAT is true, we are not entitled to life, liberty or the persuit of happyness. All life and liberty are GIFTS of God.
However, if we are talking about human government, then the answer is an emphatic NO! No human has the right or entitlement to take away others freedom or life or persuit of happyness.
Also if we are talking about a SYSTEM that suppose to WORK or have good results, then a system of liberty as long as you do not harm others, that system will work BEST.