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Belief in a Personal God is very bad news

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
I still don't see why you're saying "He exists." He "exists," but only in your head. He is imaginary; your own creation.
God is a Spirit living inside of me who is connected to Brahman Consciousness. The only way I survived the persecution that the United Kingdom unleashed against me was for this God to advise me on a daily basis what my responses should be to the day-to-day harassment and persecution,most notably by the State's Mental Health authorities at Canada House. I telephoned them on the 16th of April asking for a Medication Review in accordance with my letter to the National Health Service of 4 April 2019, and this morning I have a letter back from Canada House that mentions nothing about the medication review but fixes an appointment for me to see the Consultant Psychiatrist, Dr Masoud, on 28 June 2019 at 9.30am. Such is the urgency that the State is dealing with my complaints to Kent Police dated 19 April 2019.

I am stuck with the persecution because I have run out of the scope for legal redress. God's says stay persecuted and Blog about it to highlight your plight. He is helpless or just does not care to ameliorate my suffering.
 
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SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
I will try to update you on this:

The question of what God is somewhat complex to fathom: what one experiences as God appears to be Saguna Brahman who is available to humans in their psyche for consultation purposes aimed at human survival in the daily course of one's life from all the sources of persecution that require superhuman intelligence and wisdom. This means that if you want to consult the God He will make Himself available by his/its powers of transformation from Consciousness Brahman. If you do not wish to consult this God the Entity remains in the realm of Consciousness Brahman, and one does not then benefit from superhuman intelligence and wisdom.

A dwaitist (dualist) consults this Saguna God perennially and pays devotional reverences to Him. An advaitin does not consult this God and treats it just as transformed Brahman, something that exists and yet is ignored by the jivatman. This is because the advaitin favours full independence and non-attachment to any matter that confers duality upon his outlook. He seeks liberation/moksha.

So every person has to exert his choice of whether to be a dwaitist or an advaitist.

Most, if not all, of what you are describing above is dvaita.

An advaitin sees the above as a false dichotomy and realizes that one's true nature is the same as Brahman.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
If you can show me any evidence that God wishes us humans to lead our lives in accordance with any Holy Books imparted to create religions instead of being in direct consultation with Him as being more reliable, then I will consider that He has made any laws in the past for us humans to abide by.
How about you providing me evidence that God holds personal consultations with you.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
We can pray direct to God. All our revealed prayers are addressed only to God.
Any proof of this? Allow me to explain what prayer was/is . . .

Prayer has become a "lost" magical art. It has been reduced to rote recitations or simple wish-making. Prayer originally was the process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energy, properly grounded to the physical through proper vocalization. The spoken Word became in essence praying, this was first understood by the ancient Egyptians (and Mesopotamians) in the way of Affirmations then made manifest by way of (Heka) vibrational magic. Efforts were made to align sound with the principles of a cosmic order (natural ordering of the universe) which perhaps could be seen as a LOGOS, the dialog with that part of your Self that has the ability to create any condition you need or desire. The invocation within a prayer unites our meditative state of consciousness with the power of the Word and our innate force of Will.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
This sense of purpose and meaning that you found: was it long lasting? Did God stay with you all the time: how could you be sure of that if He did?

It has been lifelong but it has not been "all the time". I can feel sometimes that I am on course but other times I have felt loss.

Many of the metaphors that Christian's use to describe a relationship with God are true. I feel that I am proof of this in terms of my own subjective experience. But as it is a direct experience on my part, I am free of the need for belief in the literal, physical reality of God.

I did not ask to become a believer. It happened to me and it happened to me privately without the intention of any one living person. No one converted me.

It is like taking a panacea, knowing it is not medically effective only psychologically. Only it isnt magic either and it requires that I work at the cure through my inner effort, inner dialog with God and my unconscious.

When you speak of Consciousness, I think that my own understanding is maybe closer to yours than might appear. If we are open to what our psyches contain, we are baptized into our own inner spirit and those complimentary voices that we need to make us whole.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
For teens, the highest risk group for unwanted pregnancies and new sti, chances of unwanted pregnancies and sti dramatically increase if they are in low income, are subject to abstinence only education, and are in religiously dominated states.
Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S
https://datadrivenviewpoints.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/1teenpregnancymap.jpg
Religiosity and teen birth rate in the United States
Research Confirms That Abstinence-Only Education Hurts Kids
I read your studies. The last, relying on planned parenthood is invalid to me. I refuse to accept anything promulgated by an organization founded by a eugenicist and racist whose primary function is abortions.

As a Christian, I have no objection to reasonable sex education in public schools, education, not indoctrination in the social gender nonsense.

Further, this stuff has no place in kindergarten. Middle school would be appropriate for biological sex education, and discussion of birth control.

The idea that teaching abstinence harms young people is ridiculous.

In the dinosaur days when I was in school sex education consisted of a film on how the plumbing works in 5th grade, and discussions of STDś in high school.

However, we knew about birth control in jr. high school, the knowledge was passed down from senior class members to lower class students, for generations.

This was the swinging 60ś, and I guarantee you our pregnancy rates were much lower than today, yet the number of students having sex was equal or even higher.

Our parents were involved to the point of warning us vto be cautious. Some parents, thinking we didn´t know, discussed birth control.

In todayś nanny state, the government is the blanket cure for all problems, their hands are in every aspect of our lives, and I loathe it.

From the religious perspective, the Christian standard is the Christian standard. Anyone is perfectly free to adhere to it, or not.

My daughters were raised with this standard. I made sure they understood what could happen if they chose to not comply, and how to, in general keep themselves from getting pregnant. As a parent I was big on personal responsibility, and my favorite saying to them was, if you are not prepared to pay the price, you better not roll the dice.

I don know,., nor do I want to know if they had sex before the age of 18

I did emphasize that an aspirin was the very best form of birth control, held tightly between their knees.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
How about you providing me evidence that God holds personal consultations with you.
I have not got any kind of confirmation using the digital clock checking for messages from God that He had imparted any consultative suggestions to me on how to conduct my dharma. I am sorry to have to say this. But it is the truth. I seemed to have had lots of messages alerting me to possible dangers that required averting. For that I would go to a digital clock and if I saw a '7' in the clock time shown (eg 1.15, 2.41, 3.04, 4.21, 5.20, 6.10, 7.00, 8.08, 9.25, 10.42, etc) I would take it to be a message to act with an email, or blog comment, etc. If I wanted to do something I would ask God if it was a good idea and he would respond through the clock checking for '7' if I should go through with it. And I would carry out these 'instructions', as I saw them. But having done this for decades I am still languishing with my reputation tarnished so I do not know whether I am being delusional in thinking that these were messages from God.

As to morality I believe utmost that truth and justice should prevail but have no idea if God also sees it that way.

These efforts at consulting with God has gone on for nearly 20 years and it would be right to say that I am thoroughly disappointed with God, if ever there was a Personal God for me.

I see myself as an advaitin merging with the universal consciousness in whatever I do and this is the source of my inspirations for action in the material world.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
It has been lifelong but it has not been "all the time". I can feel sometimes that I am on course but other times I have felt loss.

Many of the metaphors that Christian's use to describe a relationship with God are true. I feel that I am proof of this in terms of my own subjective experience. But as it is a direct experience on my part, I am free of the need for belief in the literal, physical reality of God.

I did not ask to become a believer. It happened to me and it happened to me privately without the intention of any one living person. No one converted me.

It is like taking a panacea, knowing it is not medically effective only psychologically. Only it isnt magic either and it requires that I work at the cure through my inner effort, inner dialog with God and my unconscious.

When you speak of Consciousness, I think that my own understanding is maybe closer to yours than might appear. If we are open to what our psyches contain, we are baptized into our own inner spirit and those complimentary voices that we need to make us whole.
My journey was a roller coaster ride with an Entity that I believed to have been God but who had other ideas on truth and justice to what I had.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
My journey was a roller coaster ride with an Entity that I believed to have been God but who had other ideas on truth and justice to what I had.

My "Entity" is similar and we have in a way negotiated. But having this internal other to negotiate with I feel I achieve a greater overall balance for my psyche. Like having a weak hand that has the strength on occasion to turn aside my strong hand...very much a Taoist sort of thing.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
For teens, the highest risk group for unwanted pregnancies and new sti, chances of unwanted pregnancies and sti dramatically increase if they are in low income, are subject to abstinence only education, and are in religiously dominated states.
Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S
https://datadrivenviewpoints.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/1teenpregnancymap.jpg
Religiosity and teen birth rate in the United States
Research Confirms That Abstinence-Only Education Hurts Kids

Using state and electoral levels for stats is a mistake.

2016 US Presidential Election Map By County & Vote Share
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
My "Entity" is similar and we have in a way negotiated. But having this internal other to negotiate with I feel I achieve a greater overall balance for my psyche. Like having a weak hand that has the strength on occasion to turn aside my strong hand...very much a Taoist sort of thing.
I had no negotiations: I was looking for messages to spring me out of the persecution that was perpetrated on my by the United Kingdom State over 20 years. He would not listen. So I say belief in a Personal God is very bad news for one's material welfare.

As far as Consciousness is concerned that too may be totally delusional thinking: I am reviewing that it is of no use to me now.
 
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